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The Oscars - not a bad show

Posted by Minnie_TX (My Page) on
Mon, Feb 28, 05 at 0:14

I was pleasantly surprised at the show tonight. The gowns were lovely and for the most part nothing controversail. It reminded me of the early days when just the awards were given out and not a lot of garbage as in some years. I thought Dustin Hoffman acted very strange when presenting. And why did they have that one girl singer sing three different songs. There is an awful lot of talent in that town.
I can't judge the movies since I didn't see any of the those nominated. I think there were some surprises with the Directing and Best Motion Picture Award.

Cris Rock wasn't too bad and not that important to the proceedings anyway. Just my opinion.


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Hi Minnie, I agree with you, the Oscars were fun.

I do feel a bit for Scorsese. "Aviator" is a major film; a really great one.

Last year I rooted for Clint Eastwood ("Mystic River"), but the "Lord of the Rings" seemed to win everything.

All in all a very good year for movies.

Netflix is already taking reservations for "Million Dollar Baby".

Is it just me or was Hillary Swank's dress design weird?
All the open space in the back; not too sexy.


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Ithink that is the one dress I didn't like. The one that was cut too low and I do mean low in the back. That the one??


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Yes, and she doesn't particularly have the nicest back to look at. But a sweet smile!


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Sigh, I fell asleep after the first award - art direction- and woke up in time to see Best Picture. And this was a year when I had seen almost everything nominated in the big categories. I only regret missing the gowns.


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I must have been out of the room during some of Cris Rocks remarks. Several on other boards said he was nasty. Glad I missed it.

I read on a news site that Robin Williams' original monologue was turned down as too contentious (is that a word?) Someone said he came out with tape on his mouth so that must have been why.


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All the upset over whether Chris Rock would 'sink' the show turned out to unfounded. I thought he did ok, although in the first 30 seconds, the word 'asses' came out of his mouth, and I thought, ok, brace yourself, but that was it, as far as profanity. Nothing bleeped out that I could tell. He was ok, and I was pleased that when he poked fun at people, he included himself. The Jude Law thing was weird. When will they just leave out politics :-O Still, I think the Academy should keep looking for someone else next year.

I felt bad for Scorsese not winning again, and Annette Bening losing out AGAIN to Hillary. I couldn't make up mind leading up to the show whether Aviator might take best pic. over M$B, they were both so good.
Robin Williams was told he couldn't make a speech against some educator (?) who was recently complaining about Spongebob Squarepants making gay references, or something like that -


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BTW , what did everyone think of the change in presentation of the award to the lesser categorys? Everyone on stage during the reading of the nominations, and also having the presentor in the audience? It really did cut down on the time, the show was over by 11:30! :-D I thought it was a good idea.


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Overall, I found the show a little dull this year but I believe it was because I was underwhelmed by most of the nominees. I did think the new format of giving some of the awards out in the audience and having all the nominees on stage helped cut the time tremendously. Chris Rock was okay, but far from the best. I think he sounds likes a preacher when he gets going.

I felt bad for Scorsese too and kept thinking that "The Aviator" was going to sweep everything until the very end.

As for the fashions, I was with some friends who are very fashion conscious (and that's mainly why they watch the show) and they all raved about Hilary Swank's dress.


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They were raving about Swank's dress all over the after shows as well. It seemed pretty blah to me. I liked Halle Berry's dress. I think that Cate Blanchett's dress would have been perfectly lovely in any other color. There were quite a few yellow dresses at the Oscars.

To me, it seemed as though they were trying to attract younger viewers, what with P. Diddy and Adam Sandler in attendence. And Beyonce, I don't know, I don't see why she was necessary. The boys' choir could have handled Vois Sur Ton Chemin perfectly well, and they didn't bother harmonizing her with Groban. Couldn't they have the person who sang Learn to Be Lonely in the film sing it at the Oscars? I like Beyonce's voice, it just seems as though she was a only a pull to attract viewers.


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I decided not to watch...I had a good book!
I was tired of all the controversary this year, plus I hadn't seen any of the films.

I did see some Red Carpet interviews before turning off the TV-that Renee Zellwenger is one very strange lady in person!

Pat


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I didn't love many of the dresses this year, although some of the tried-and-true ladies could wear a paper bag and look gorgeous. Halle, Cate, Kate, Charlize, they always look great. I thought the yellow was terrific on Cate Blanchett, it made her glow. I loved the back of Hilary's dress but thought the neckline was awful. Also, I thought that Gwyneth's bosom was totally squished, it did not flatter her.

I thought Laura Linney looked atrocious. She once wore that ashy gray color a few years ago and looked just as drab. She needs color! Doesn't her stylist tell her this?

I will also say that I liked seeing some meat on the ladies. Some of them just had babies and the extra pounds looked terrific. I refer to Gwyneth (altho her dress smooshed her in I loved the way she has filled out) and Julia....even Virgina Madsen, Kate Winslet of course...it is so nice to see REAL bodies up there for a change.

I think the idea of having Beyonce sing everything was, once again, to attract a younger audience. I think they are trying to steer clear of the traditional, Vegas-style song and dance numbers and trying to get hipper. She looked stunning in everything she wore.

Now as for Robin Williams, there is a reason why he came out with the tape over his mouth. Apparently, he was supposed to sing a song - written by Marc Shaiman of South Park fame - to rebuttle the kooky adversaries who recently have claimed that Sponge Bob is gay. The lyrics were supposed to be about all the animated characters doing controversial things. Well, first the censors told them to clean it up, then they all out yanked it. So he didn't sing anything and I guess he tried to cram many of the song's punchlines into one-liners. Needless to say, it didn't work. I will find the article for you guys and post it up. It had many of the lyrics in it.


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Oh my gosh, poor Laura Linney! What was she thinking?? And her hair - was that a mohawk or a mullet? Whew!


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I agree a lot with what you said, moongirl. That squished bosom look was so 2004, can't believe no one told Gwyneth.

I thought Cate Blanchett looked great in yellow but that dark brown belt just clashed too much with the dress.

Annette Benning really needs to think about letting her hair grow. She's just too old for that look. I know she's almost 50 but her wrinkles are really beginning to take over her face and that short hair isn't helping.

Mike Myers face looked really, really shiny. Either he just scrubbed his face extra well, or he had some work done. He just looked strange, IMHO.

I thought Penelope Cruz and Drew Barrymore looked nice. My favorite was Johnny Depp's wife. I don't even recall her dress, but I remember thinking she looked so beautiful. When you can recall someone's beauty over what they were wearing, then I think they did good.


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Um, I didn't love Vanessa Paradis (Johnny's wife). She looked rather ghastly - or is that ghostly? - to me. But I guess she fits well with his aura. That man does not age! I swear he looks like he just came off of shooting 21 Jump Street!

I liked the contasting brown belt on Cate B's dress. It added a little color.

What was up with Melanie Griffith? And could Antonio look any greasier? My husband kept joking "the wetter, the sexier" but honestly, it looked like he just got out of the shower!

I'm still not sure if I like Renee's brown locks or not. Where was Nicole Kidman? (good thing she wasn't there after Chris Rock's dig)

I just want to say one other thing in favor of Beyonce. I don't think she has a mindblowing voice, but at least she can hold a note which is more than I can say for many of the other "rock stars" on the radio. And I dare Jennifer Lopez to do what she did last night!

Finally, check out the article I posted about Robin Williams - I didn't you all to miss it so I posted it separately.


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What did Rock say about Nicole? I missed that. I came into it a little late so also missed what he said about Bush. I liked the dress on the person that played in Phantom of the Opera - name escapes me. And I thought Drew Barrymore looked good. Didn't care for the color of Hillary's dress. My fav dress was Cate Blanchett's, but I think she looks good in anything. She has that glow as someone else mentioned.


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I thought Hilary Swank was stunning. She's one classy lady.
The most beautiful dress (imo)was worn by Nathalie Portman.
Bad presenter choices: Gyllanhall(sp?), P-Diddy, Beyoncé and Adam Sandler... AND Prince? What's with him?. I agree that with sooooooooooo many wonderful voices out there, Beyoncé could have shared!
Bad hair: Laura Linney. I like the idea, but on her it just looked bad. Am still on the fence about Halle's hair...

Now, for the awards... (remember them?) ;)
In all the films nominated,I have only seen Ray, but thought it was an incredible performance, so was happy to see J. Fox win. As for Cate Blanchett, she's such an awesome talent (such finesse in imitating accents, as I've said before), so was VERY glad for her; she looked very demure and glam. I would have liked to have seen Les Choristes win for best foreign and best song (ugh, did not care for Beyoncé's interpretation at all). With the exception of perhaps Hotel Rwanda, most groups came away happy.

Someone mentioned that the Academy 'did not like' Scorcese. I'd like to know more. He seems to be a pretty nice guy. sensitive and all. Whazzup, Academy?
Of course, he couldn't have lost to a better guy (Eastwood) who seems so kind and level-headed. He surely has a lot of power in Hollywood; no denying that.

As for Chris Rock, well... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Did not like his barking monologue, his somewhat omnipresent references to black-only celebrities (perhaps he was told to do so, dunno??) Really no pizzazz, no sparkle or spontaniety, imho. Bring back Steve Martin or how about Ellen next year??


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What did Chris Rock say about Jude Law? And what did Sean Penn say in his defense? I missed a lot yesterday, just glimpsed bits and pieces because I know they usually hold the major awards till the end.

About the format, I didn't like it. To me, a movie is a work of the entire cast and crew and they all put in a great deal of effort to get the desired effect. Anyway, in the past, some of the best acceptance speeches have come from the lesser knowns. It seemed a bit elitist to me to have the technical awards nominees receive their Oscars in the aisle or have them all lined up on the side of the stage, American Idol fasion. I didn't like it. Is it such a bad thing to have the show run long? It seemed they wasted so much time on the songs but isn't this an awards show? Why speed through the awards and then waste time with a song? I don't get it and I didn't like it.


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Here is a link to Chris Rock's quotes.

Here is a link that might be useful: USA Today


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I DID like the way they brought the people up on the stage. It did not resemble Amercian Idol to me. Rather, it really brought a humanity to the categories. Whether they were on the stage or seated together, I felt that it showed a comaraderie among the nominees, that they all had a sense of support for each other. Also, it really gave a face to the nominees. It was a way of giving recognition to real people, the ones who are really doing all the work to make a film look good. Like that guy said, these aren't technical categories, they are artistic, and IMO they should start presenting them that way.

Also, supposedly the real reason they did that was to speed things up. No more running up on stage.

I also liked the way they tried to mix things up by doing some things in the aisles and the balconies.


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I liked the fact that it did indeed speed things up but the more I think about it, the more mixed feelings I have. I almost feel as if the technical people were treated like second class citizens, especially the ones who had their awards presented to them in the audience? It seems like part of the joy in winning one of the awards would be the chance to go up onstage. I don't know, just a thought.

I also thought the whole show lacked glamour and class when they tried to appeal to the younger crowd by having people like Prince and Sean Puffy Combs giving out the awards.


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I found the entire television production very dull. I love a good standup comedian as much as the next person, but was very disappointed last night. I did enjoy seeing all (or most) of the pretty ladies and their gowns, but I don't get into it all that much. I wonder how one can compare apples and oranges, such as a film like Sideways with The Aviator and even M$B with a "BIG" movie like The Aviator.

I do think that Hilary looked lovely and I think that she has beautiful skin and I liked her dress too, but yes, I still agree that it was a little weird!


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Just some random thoughts about the Oscars -- for what they're worth.

I may be too old fashioned or just don't like change, but I think every winner deserves his/her moment of glory, including running up to the stage. I even miss hearing some of the long and boring speeches. At least they made the honorees human. I didn't feel any heart in last night's show. If some people find the show too long they could record it and fast forward through the parts that don't interest them.

I thought Chris Rock was boring and didn't seem to care whether he was there or not.

I miss the banter and comeraderie between presenters. I liked it much better when each award had two presenters. I hope they find some for next year better than Prince, etc.

Almost all the gowns were gorgeous. Cate looked great. However, Hilary's dress, or rather, her back was awful. I didn't like Halle's hair at all.

It seems to me that most of the nominated movies are not directed to the "younger crowd." I wonder, then, why the show needs to be. I do think Beyonce's dresses were great. She has a good voice and stage presence. I would have enjoyed more variety.

I was really hoping they would split Best Director and Best Picture. I think Scorsese deserved something.


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I liked that they had some of the nominees on stage, but like a couple of you mentioned, I didn't like how they gave out some of the awards in the audience. Going up on stage is what makes makes winning the award seem so special.

I don't know why they think they have to make the show shorter, and if they really do want to make it shorter why don't seriously think of cutting the songs. We barely get to see clips from the nominated movies, while the songs are played in their entirety. (Personally, I'd rather see the documentary shorts if they want to show us something). Or, can't they just do a little song and dance montage of little sections of all the songs put together. That would cut out a lot of time. And, must they introduce the person who is going to introduce the person who is introduce the person who is going to win the special award. Come on, just present the special award and be done with it.

I actually think most of the acceptance speeches were too short. It seemed like everyone was just preoccupied with not taking too much time and just hurried up and thanked a few people. It's like there was no heart to the speeches. Made for a boring night.


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Thank you all for your comments. Made me feel almost as if I'd watched the show. :)
I would like to know what Sean Penn said in defense of Jude Law. I know Sean Penn has been very volatile in the past but seems to have mellowed, and I think he's just the most wonderful actor and I give him points as a human being for that reason. I read Chris Rock's joke about Jude Law, it was rather mean, wasn't it?

Rose


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I didn't like the winners being 'pushed' by the orchestra fellow near the end. Eastwood seemed to say, "to bad, we want to celebrate." And yes, all winners should be on stage.

A perfect solution is to have the Oscars commercial free. No question the ratings would go through the roof. But of course, what good are ratings if the don't pay for themselves. Not going to happen until the Circle Theater 'experts' set the agenda.:)

Very interesting to read so many good slants on this thread.


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Rock's joke about Law didn't really bother me. I thought it was just an attempt to mention how up and coming and popular Law became almost overnight from all the movies he did in 2004.

Sean Penn's defense of Law was nice though...It went something like "...to answer our host's question: Who is Jude Law? He's one of our finest actors and just as any fine actors knows that for one of them there are five great actresses..."(that lead him into the five best actress nominees).


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Scorsese keeps losing to directors who are also actors. Do you think actors usually vote for actors even when they direct?


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I have enjoyed reading everyone's posts on the Oscars. I agree with the general concensus that it was a boring night. We can't blame any one or two people for that because it was all completely contrived. I mentioned a while back that with Chris Rock being the host I was glad there were writers and choreographers. However, I had no expectation they would tame him so much. The jokes weren't good and were clearly pre-written and tele-prompted, as was Sean Penn's response to him about Jude Law. Did anybody get the one about Oprah and John Kerry? That one flew right pass me. From the look on her face, it flew pass Oprah, too. Beyonce has an absolutely lovely voice, and I wish I had her agent to get me to be the star of the Academy Awards show. What was up with that? I felt like it actually took bread from the mouths of the songs' original performers. And, what happened to Catherine Zeta Jones? Did anyone see her the whole night? Did she not show up or was she just not available to present when she was supposed to. You noticed Chris Rock had to take her place. Yep, too bad about Scorsese. I understand what you all have said about him being look over, but it's hard to say because it isn't as though he lost out to lesser director of a lesser film. Love, love, love that Jamie Foxx won and his emotional acceptance speech.


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Well, guys, according to ET's Cojo, what has been expressed here regarding the Oscar fashions was quite unanimous, including Linney's hair, Swank's dress, Zellweger's thinness. Cojo's favorites were: Nathalie Portman, Cate Blanchett, Halle Berry and Oprah, with the best dressed nod going to Charlize Theron and the worst dressed to Swank. Yesterday, I forgot to mention Selma Hayek who was also very beautiful.


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I was confused by the Catherine Zeta Jones stunt too - was that supposed to be a joke?


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I don't know if it was a joke on Zeta Jones, but we'll probably hear about her suing over it now! :-D


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Lol, good one Paula!


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Here I am, the person who said she doesn't usually really get too 'into' the Oscars or the dresses! But, can't help it, I seem to have turned into a real Hilary fan, I thought she looked elegant and I think Cojo's just jealous that his back and his bottom are too skinny to look good in that dress!


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Well once again I will reiterate I loved the back on Hilary's dress, but the front and neckline were a little weird. I think if the neckline itself were a little lower. It looked very uncomfortable. Like it was choking her.

I also did not like Scarlet Johannson. Didn't like her hair, which needed help. Didn't like her dress either. It didn't flatter her, with that peblum in the front and the mismatched fabrics. I was disappointed, bc she usually looks radiant.

I also have issues with Renee Z. She looks great, don't get me wrong. She knows what looks good on her and she sticks with it. But every single show for the past 4 years she's worn basically the same exact thing. Always by Caroline Herrera. I'd like to see her mix it up a bit. The look is getting stale.

Where were Jude Law? Nicole Kidman? Catherine Zeta Jones and Michael D? Susan Sarandon? Surprised they weren't there.

Now, notice that all the digs were on these people that weren't there.


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I read where one of the major fashion gurus chose Scarlet Johannson as looking the worst.

I liked Renee Zellweger's gown but I thought she looked awful. That jet black hair next to her alabaster skin plus she has lost too much weight - her face was just scary.

I thought Charlize Theron and Virginia Madsen looked great.


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I hope Renee's 'look' is because of an on going movie, and a requirement to be thin with black-dyed hair.

Otherwise????

She looked as though she had her whole body tightened on the previous weekend.


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Bill, you're making me think of a little tin of sardines, where you use that little key to open the top - you know? That's how I picture Renee getting her body 'tightened' - somebody is just turning that key! (Sorry, but I am from the cooking forum and we relate anything and everything to cooking or eating, can't seem to help it!)


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Poor Renee looked as though her hairdresser pulled her hair too tightly!

I thought Penelope Cruz looked amazing. Seems like she's lost a lot of weight, maybe 170 lbs. or so. LOL

I keep waiting for Melanie Griffith's lips to explode.


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I'm with Cujo, Swank's dress just didn't work for me. If it had been even a tad less prim in front, it would have been better. But the extreme and almost puritanical front combined with the so daring back was just too much conflict. And unless she has already lost all that muscle she developed for the movie, she missed out on a good thing by not showing off those fabulously toned shoulders and arms.

Beyonce, Blanchett, Cruz, and Masden had my favorite dresses of the evening. The View had the knock-offs for less than $300 on this mornings show. Another afternoon show I caught briefly had knock-offs for just over $300. Blanchett's and Masden's originals were tens of thousands of dollars, but I think I heard Masden say her's was borrowed. Who is it, you figure, goes and buys these dresses after gorgeous actresses are seen in them? How can any other woman hope to compare with that already established image in everyone's mind.


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Since I didn't watch I surfed the web and the general consensus was that this was a boring show-or as one report said, DULL!

Pat


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Hi Pat, if one didn't take anything too seriously, it was OK. I just let it happen.

The intensity did go up with the final 2 selections.

I was sure it would be Scorsese for Direction; Eastwood was a surprise, not that he didn't deserve it.

And who could pick Best Picture? Wow, the wait was nerve racking.


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I hate to keep adding to this Joan Rivers thread but the topic is FASCINATING! And I must add (and this is based on photos, since I didn't watch the show) a) Clairabelle, you are so right, Selma Hayek looked amazingly good in a very cool dress. But still, either Halle Berry's or Cate Blanchett's was my favorite. The photos of Renee Z. were horrific and I sure hope this is not a new look for her! And y'all, Laura Linney didn't look so bad. But Clive Owen should've had a stylist help his wife out. :(

As for the guys, Jamie Foxx taking his daughter-KUDOS. Who would've ever thought such a goofy guy would be able to pull off such a great dramatic role. Leo - still a heartthrob.

Rose


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rosey, that's the main reason I thought Jamie deserved the Oscar. Who woodathunk??? I never cared for his comedy, and thought his acting was so-so. But given his first opportunity, he showed us all what he's made of to our total surprise and total delight. (sound familiar? I said it before) The movie gave me a brand new respect for him. Yeah, bringing his daughter was sweet.

Afraid I must disagree about Leo. There's not enough of him to make my heart thump. I do like his movies though.

Okay, don't all jump at once!!! I confess I missed the best picture award. Someone, please tell me what picture won.

shielding myself from the barrage


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Anyone who thought Hilary Swank's dress was boring didn't see the shots of her walking the red carpet. That thing was skin tight and showed everything she was given. I guess it was chilly in LA that night!


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It may have been chilly. But not enough for a sweater or even jogging pants.:)


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Wish someone would tell me which won best picture.


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Gotta give props to Hilary...did you hear when it was all over at like 3 AM, she and Chad and coupla buds went to Astro Burger and chowed down on some garden burgers and fries, in her dress and all, with the Oscar next to the tray. YOu gotta love her!


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Bestlawn..... Million Dollar Baby won best picture.


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This forum rocks! I am so glad for this thread you have no idea, and YES I do need to get a life, thank you very much. lol I live for awards shows, to see who won what, what they wore, hairstyles, anything controversial, etc. Sadly, I don't know anyone who watched them, to discuss stuff with. Majority of my co-workers didn't tune in. Overall, I thought the show was pretty good and relatively calm. I die over Chris Rock, and was wondering if he would behave or not. One person above was asking about the Jude Law thing. I did feel slightly bad at the hacking on him, but did laugh some over it. After Sean Penn defended him, later Chris came back on stage and said something like "Hey Sean, my accountants want to have a chat with you.", or something like that. Another tiny hack that I don't think was mentioned, was on Tim Robbins. Chris went to introduce him and goes something like, " Here is a guy who loves to bore you with his politics." lol I guess I would have to agree with some of the others on Hillary's dress. The low cut thing didn't bother me, but the front of it looked weird. TTFN


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In general, I thought the dresses and the show were dull.. Nothing was WOW for me...


 
 

 

 


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