Anyone care to comment on the numbers? Curse or Code?

I totally missed the significance of the box company :(

The numbers sure seem like a curse; therefore, they're probably a code.

2) Got the box company reference. Locke was in charge of collections for a box company. Here's the q: is it the SAME box company?

3) Did anyone get the signifance of the numbers? Read below:

4 = the mysterious number that keeps popping up (things have happened to characters 4 years ago, Sam Toomi died 4 years ago.... if you don't know what I'm talking about I can't begin to explain, you have to visit Lost sites to discuss)

8 15 = the flight number, Kates' bank box number and a variety of other things

16 = the years Danielle has been there, the years since the radio transmition

23 = ???

42 = ??? the only reference I have is that in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is the answer to the universe.

Any takers?

As for the numbers...I have not a clue, but after Hurley visited the woman in Oz it certainly seems they are unlucky for those that use them.

I missed the episode that flashed back about Boone (and some others)so don't know about the Box co. I do think he is a 'good guy'. As for the cradle I thought he was making it because he knew Claire was close to delivering and it was just coincidental that she told him it was her birthday?

What about the French woman giving Hurley a battery.....?

Pat

I got the impression the last scene showed the numbers on part of the plane, like a serial number.

The numbers do not just link to the crashed plane, since they also lured the french woman and her crew to change their course due to picking up the transmission.

I liked this episode since it was the first one to show that circumstances were in place long ago (ie the numbers on the metal thing) that possibly contributed to both the french woman's shipwreck as well as the plane crash. I also like that a tv show finally makes people think, in my case long after the episode has ended.

I especially liked Charlie's reponse, "fine, don't tell me". Both of those characters are great.

The numbers are printed on the side of the gigantic metal thing - the HATCH that Locke and Boone are trying to open are on top of this metal thing. But this is the first time we have a glimpse into the hatch being attached to something much larger. Previously the hatch window itself was the only noticeable thing and it was surrounded by shrubery.

The thing with the number 4 is, there seems to lots revolving around this number. For one thing, there is a theory floating around that the occurances are on a 4-year loop (this is based on the 4 year references that characters have made and too complicated to explain but it has to do with time continuum) When Sawyer first kissed Kate he said, "I've been waiting 4 years for this" ... Locke was paralyzed 4 years ago...there are a bunch of reference to 4 years ago altho I can't recall all them now. Now Sam Toomy died 4 years ago.

815 - the flight that crashed, Kate's safe deposit box, and also Charlie's photo copy machine was model # 815 (when he threw up) I think it may have shown up elsewhere but again, can't remember them all now. I think at some point it was noted as a time on a clock (8:15) and it may have been Sawyer's hotel room number. Can't remember but I believe it's been used over and over again.

16 - this number also seems to come up a lot, Danielle, the transmition, etc. in addition to the fact that it's 4x4 (see above)

23 - don't know

Sorry, I correct myself, 42 is the "meaning of life" in Hitchhiker's Guide.

I'm sure they are ultimately a code for something else but I thought it was interesting bc these writers never do anything random. So look out for these numbers!!!

Let's just say for reality's sake that there was someone (or something) on the island. 16 years ago. That would make it 1988. OK, this "entity" sends out a radio signal with these numbers. Now, as this is happening, out in the ocean, Danielle and her crew hear the transmission and seeks out the origin. She could have heard "help me, help me" or "la la la" for all we care. She still would have sought out the transmission, right? ok. Just humor me. Now, at the same time, Sam Toomy and Lenny are stationed (where? we don't know, we have to assume Australia bc Sam's wife says 'a few days later we went to a fair' so we have to figure he's home) Sam hears the transmition. Ok. I buy all this. Two people in different places can hear a radio transmission.

But it's the power of the numbers that's freaking me out. Barring the bad luck that came with it, how is it that Sam got exactly the right number of beans? And then 16 years later, Hurley wins the lottery with those exact numbers? Is this a coincidence? How could the numbers printed on the side of a U-boat or alien ship or whatever that thing is work the way they did?

I was discussing this with DH and he says, it's not so much that they won but that the numbers altered the course of their lives in some way - AND - also affected the people around them but not them directly.

Bump!

FORTY-TWO

is a number connected with Antichrist. An important part of his career is to last for 42 months (Rev 11:2, 13:5), and thus this number is fixed upon him. Another number of Antichrist is 1260, and this is 30x42.

Its factors are six and seven (6x7=42), and this shows a connection between man and the Spirit of God, and between Christ and Antichrist:

Forty-two stages of Israel's wanderings mark their conflict with the will of God. Forty-two young men mocked the ascension of Elijah to Elisha, 2 Kings 2:23,24.

Being a multiple of seven, it might be supposed that it would be connected with spiritual perfection. But it is the product of six times seven. Six, therefore, being the number of Man, and of man's opposition to God, forty-two becomes significant of the working out of man's opposition to God.

There may be something more in the common phrase about things being all "sixes and sevens." They are so, indeed, when man is mixed up with the things of God, and when religious "flesh" engages in spiritual things.

I'm reading you and I'm thinking hmmm, maybe I should dig up my old numerology books... lol

Could the numbers we see at the end of the show be on a spaceship of some sort? Danielle speaks of 'shipwreck', but just maybe...
Could it be several dimensions of being? Could Danielle be from the future? Several dimensions or black holes or time warps? Holy crappola, aren't we having fun!! I love this show and thoroughly agree that it makes you wonder long after the episode has ended. Shades of Twin Peaks! :D

Now speaking of confused... was I seeing things or we going to see another 'android' next week? Don't tell me it's another re-run arrrggggghhhh

Ok, I admit I've become officially addicted to this show. I'm a Lost Addict.

If you think I'm bad, you should see some of the crazies out there. I just peruse the Lost boards and see what people are talking about. I don't go on every day, in fact a week or two ago I got kind of sick of it and just wanted to enjoy absorbing the show on my own and stayed away. But then after Numbers I went on bc it was such a shockeroo and I needed to find answers. Once in a while I post something interesting and believe me, my thoughts are not that unique, someone has always beaten me to my own boring ideas.

But there are people out there who REALLY have a lot of time on their hands. When the series first started, some nut actually drew - using dashes and symbols on the keyboard - an actual seating chart of who sat where on the plane (!)

And check this out! (again, someone else wrote it, not me, I just copy and paste):

ok imagine this:
Make a box with the numbers and operations plus or minus or equal. Add up each line across or down with all six numbers and they all equal. You can try this it works!!!

04+08+42-16-23=15
+ + + + + + + + + + +
08+42+04-23-15=16
+ + + + + + + + + + +
42+04+08-15-16=23
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
16+23+15-08-04=42
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
23+15+16-04-42=08
= = = = = = = = = = =
15+16+23-42-08=04

It's really quite beautiful
I have too much time on my hands

And if you think THAT guy is nuts, check this out:
http://www.4815162342.com/

OK, so I'm not that bad!

Pat

Pat

Boone becomes concerned when Locke suffers physical problems while they try to find a way into the mysterious hatch. Meanwhile, Jack is reluctant to help when Sawyer starts to experience excruciating headaches, and Michael and Jin struggle to communicate while working together on the raft.

Pat

About Locke's 'family' experience, talk about wonderful acting when Locke's mother comes to see him after the operation and he realizes that they'd both taken advantage of him... another slap in the face. I wonder if his paralysis was physical (did he crash his car after leaving his father's house?) or psychological? If Locke knew so much about survival skills, knives, hunting, perhaps the accident happened much later in life?

So many questions, so little time! :D

Eerie that the plane they found was the same one in Locke's dream and that Boone looked exactly the same after the plane crashed as he did in Locke's dream.

Well, the plane looked the same bc Locke's dream was a prediction... in the dream he saw the plane, saw Boone covered in blood, but he took it to mean that it was "destiny", and then they followed that destiny and then it actually happened. Sort of like self-fulfilling prophecy.

Anyone else think the plane looked a lot like Kate's little toy plane?

Was Boone's transmission heard? I hope so! Hmmm. Perhaps the "destiny" had nothing to do with opening the hatch, it had to do with giving Boone a chance to talk on the radio?

Also, I'm betting the little boy in the toy store was Boone, or at least one of the other guys on the island. Jack? Sawyer? The writers are slowly making connections between everyone.

The mousetrap game in the beginning referred not only to Locke's mousetrap-like contraption he built in the jungle...I think better yet it refers to the father's plan of attack and trapping him.

The father must have spurred Locke's interest in hunting. Clearly he was not into outdoors/hunting/etc before he met the father.

Boone's accident is retribution for what he did to the nanny. Interesting that Boone went UP, and then he he fell DOWN. Like the nanny on the steps.

Does Locke think he's Jesus or what? Is he talking to the island or God? Locke seems to be a Fatalist of sorts, even before he got to the island. What's up with that?

My husband has said since the first episode that Locke's paralysis is psychological. I cannot wait till they reveal how that happens! But, this is an interesting thought I was discussing with a colleague - if it IS in his head, what could trigger a relapse? Well, Locke believes that the island gave him a new life, a fresh start, and now for the first time since he's gotten there he is hitting a wall (with the hatch.) So maybe he is reverting back to his old defeatist attitudes?

Was the light in the hatch real? Or in his head?

So many questions!!!

One more thing I just want to point out - not about this episode. I think the writers are purposely making everyone connected. Here's a theory: back in the third episode, when Kate was hiding at the farmer's, the farmer said that his wife died in a car accident. The farmer was driving a pick-up truck. Now jump to Hurley's episode, Numbers. He talks to Sam's wife. She says that she and Sam got into a car accident on the way home from the fair - in a collision with a pick-up truck. I'm betting that it was the farmer and his wife!

Pat

One other interesting thing, and I cannot take credit for this one, bc I totally forgot about it until someone else posted it on another Lost board. Locke said in an earlier episode that his sister died by falling off monkey bars and I think he infers that he inadvertently had something to do with it. His foster mother was very upset until a dog showed up at their house and she thought the dog was the sister. I think the dog finally left when the mother died, four years later (there's that number again!) Does anyone remember this story?

OK, so is there a connection between Boone(inadvertently) causing the nanny to fall down the steps and Locke (inadvertently) causing the sister to fall?

Also - and this is a loaded question - did Locke KNOW that Boone would die? (we don't even know if he will, the writers say they're going to throw a curveball) but let's go with that. Maybe Locke did it on purpose, manipulating him on to climb up (Hmmm...sounds like the same thing Boone did to the nanny?) Then, at the end, Locke cried out (to the island, we presume) "I did everything you asked me to do!" Could it be that he is carrying out the island's handiwork? Furthermore, is Boone a sacrifice?

Freaky...the aisles for the footballs were 8 and 15. There are those numbers again!

More random thoughts: Theresa the nanny - subsititute for Boone's mother? Hmmm. Mother Theresa...? Also, lots of God/Virgin Mary/immaculate conception references. Then the little Virgin Mary statues. Woah!

Also, with all that heroin around, do you think there's a chance Charlie will fall back into his old ways?

We're not sure that Boone will die. Supposedly the death will be a real tear-jerker. Somehow, we're not sure this fits the bill.

Also, did anyone catch the Lost Dog flyer stuck to Locke's car? There are lots of dog references...Locke's sister and then Vincent.

I thought it was interesting that Locke's mother said he was "special". Now, granted of course it wasn't true, he was not conceived by immaculate conception, but it is an interesting choice of words, since Walt has had the same thing said about him. Also, Walt and Locke have a tremendous connection.

All the religious references have me spooked. Is Locke like Abraham, who was asked to sacrifice Isaac? After all, Locke keeps saying, "we have to have faith." Is he attempting to sacrifice Boone, or just do the island's bidding, in general? Or is he like Job? Or is he like Jesus?

Pat

I wish someone other than Julie Bowen played Jack's wife. I always think of Julie as being "ED's" girlfriend. I assume something happened to Jack's wife (like she dies in another accident) but then again maybe Jack is still very much married! Guess future episodes will tell.

The previews look good. Do you guys think Locke actually gets shot and dies? Maybe it's some sort of dream or something. The last episodes are titled "Exodus" (meaning 'a mass departure'). Can't wait.

I am still trying to understand this series since I missed so many of the earlier episodes.

Pat

The Purgatory Theory is way, way old and they are not in Purgatory, the writers have said so. Furthermore the last episode won't tell us everything bc they have picked it up for another season.

I did not care for Julie Bowen as Jack's wife. I found her acting way melodramatic.

I was really bummed about Boone's death. I don't think they should have killed any of them off, I rather liked the whole ensemble. But it might have been Ian Sommerholder's choice, I recall reading some time ago that he felt it was difficult to give all the actors fair screen time with a storyline that has 14 actors. I remember thinking that he sounded ready to leave. I don't know what prompter them to kill Boone off, but maybe he had something to do with it.

Although I loooooved J. Bowen in ED, didn't care for her either last night. Jack's vows were so moving!!

Now I'm trying to figure out the chronology in all this. Jack seemed to have a good relationship with his father last night, so perhaps it was BEFORE his dad slipped up in surgery and Jack denounced him? Also, didn't Jack's wife mention him fixing her after an accident and that she would 'walk to to wedding'? Could she be the patient Jack saved in surgery (the one where he counted to 5)???

I'm betting that he saved this girl and then they fell in love (altho I'm still not sure I buy Jack loving her) but I don't think Jack is married by the time the Lost plane crashes. Also, Jack never wears a ring during the more recent flashbacks, those being set during the time he fights his father at the hospital and goes to get his father in Australia.

Jack doesn't save a patient while he counts to 5...does he? I only remember the patient he tries to save after his father botched up surgery while intoxicated. Did they ever show him working on another?

I think when she says "you fixed me so I could walk to our wedding" I think she meant like it was meant to be.

I thought the most telling line in last night's episode was when Jack says, "Don't tell me what I can't do!" which is Locke's line.

Boone will "come back to life because of the island's magic"

Locke will be exiled and will take some of the others with him. Perhaps that is the meaning of the next episode, titled "Exodus," rather than people leaving on the raft.

I am beginning to like both Jin and Sun a whole lot more.

I agree, Moongirl, that Jack probably didn't really love his wife.

Did you notice that, in the tux scene, Jack didn't have any tatoos?

It will be interesting to see where the story goes with Claire and the baby.

Jack only MENTIONED that he saved someone (spinal surgery) and that when he knicked the cord he panicked and counted to 5.

Ian Somerhalder said that he was on a winery tour in CA when he got the call from the writers that he was getting killed off. He joked, "It was a good thing I had four glasses of good pinot in me." He also joked that he WAS in the midst of looking for a house in Hawaii and now he's looking for a place on Venice Beach. Apparently the whole cast was pretty upset when they found out he was getting killed off, "particularly Foxy" - which is Matthew Fox's nickname! - they grew to be a very tightknit group.

I don't think Boone is coming back...a) Ian Somerhalder has got other gigs lined up and b) more importantly, the writers said "it was necessary to kill Boone off to set off the chain of events that will lead to the season finale." I understand he will be back for a flashback on the May 25 episode.

The 'Lost' Boys

Matthew Fox, Josh Holloway, Naveen Andrews, and the other male castaways on ABC's hit show talk about their favorite ''Lost'' moments, conspiracy theories, and more

Matthew Fox (Jack Shepard)

Age 38
Casting backstory: He clearly impressed J.J. Abrams at his audition, because the Lost cocreator let Fox read the entire top-secret pilot script. ''He kept running in and out of the room every 20 minutes going, 'Do you like it, do you like it?' I said, 'I'm loving it, but you have to let me finish it!''' says Fox.

Our favorite moment: Hard to pick one, but we'll say Jack's calm command in the postcrash maelstrom.

His favorite moment: When Sawyer realizes he'd met Jack's father. ''I love that there's all these very subtle interminglings even before they got on the plane — and it has so much to do with destiny and fate and why these people ended up on this particular flight and why it was doomed to go down.''

Least favorite conspiracy theory: That it's purgatory. ''[The show] has a lot of redemptive themes which could be metaphorical for purgatory. But them actually not being living, breathing human beings? It takes away the stakes of life and death.''

Burning question: Early on, Jack found some skeletons and a pouch containing black-and-white rocks. Explain. ''The black-and-white stones have been a recurring theme in the show,'' says executive producer Damon Lindelof (e.g., Locke's favorite board game, backgammon, and the mysterious Black Rock). ''We know who those skeletons are, what their story was, and what they were doing with those stones. But that's a question we won't be answering this season.''
[—by Josh Wolk]     

Josh Holloway (Sawyer)

Age 35
Casting backstory: The drawling Georgia native had only 12 hours to prep an audition for the role of Sawyer, then written as a fast-talking upstate New York con man. ''I just threw the [Buffalo] accent out the window — I knew they'd laugh at me if I tried it. I think that's what they were looking for, someone who was like, 'Oh, f--- it.'''

Our favorite moment: Staring down the boar with the same bloodthirsty passion that led him to shoot the man he thought was responsible for his parents' murder-suicide...only to put his gun away.

His favorite moment: ''Right before the kiss [with Kate]. The buildup to that — the excitement, the tension, the sex between them — is cool.''

If he could change one thing about Sawyer... ''I'd make his hair less frickin' annoying. I mean, it looks cool, but it's constantly in my way.''

On keeping TV's biggest secrets: ''No one ever cared about anything I was in before, so when everyone started asking me things, I was like, 'Blah blah blah.' The best way for me not to do that is for [the writers] not to tell me s---.''

Burning question: Sawyer's backstory intersects with the Jack and Shannon/Boone histories. Does his pre-island life converge with any or all of the others? ''No comment,'' says Lindelof. ''But we'll see, before the end of the season, why he popped up in Boone's flashback.''

Naveen Andrews (Sayid Jarrah)

Age 36
Casting backstory: ''I thought [Sayid] was intriguing in the sense that you don't get a main character on prime-time American TV who's Iraqi. That was exciting enough for me to want to be involved.''

Our favorite moment: When he sets off alone to map the island, full of self-loathing (for wrongly torturing Sawyer) and self-confidence: ''I can't think of a better person to do it than the only one I trust.''

His favorite moment: ''The scene where [Shannon] sings in French. When people are in panic mode, to have those moments of quiet and connection — it's good to play that.''

Castaway he'd most like to be stranded with: ''That's obvious, isn't it? Shannon.''

Isn't it about time for some island romance? ''I think there would be a hell of a lot more shagging going on than lingering looks across campsites.''

Least favorite conspiracy theory: ''The most idiotic one to me is that it's a dream.''

How much is he like Sayid? ''In real life, I'm less than heroic. There's no way that I would be capable in the way Sayid is. I'd just cave in and give up.''

Burning question: Earlier this season, someone knocked out Sayid while he was trying to operate the plane's radio. Who did it, and why? ''You will find out within the next three original episodes, definitively,'' Lindelof says. ''They will find the person, and that person will confess to having done it.''
[—by Jennifer Armstrong]

I have no idea what's gonna happen but I'm psyched to find out some answers! My personal theory is, no way they're gonna kill off Locke, people love him too much! But I could be wrong, you never know!

Hey, has anyone heard about the theory that the show is following a similar plot to Stephen King's The Stand? I understand the writers have said that was one of the (many) places they stole ideas from. And many of the characters seem to be eerily similar. The reason why I ask is, it seems to ME to be going in that direction. I think that the castaways are going to side up, one group with Jack, the other with Locke, and it's going to be like The Stand in that sense. That's the "things coming to a head" that I think the writers were talking about, and why they had to kill Boone.

Where the bloody hell is Rose???? I want to see Rose! They just totally abandoned her character! Geesh, they don't even have the decency to put her in the background. When you see these random people in the background shots, like when Clair brought out the baby, I'm like, Who are these people?? And my husband always jokes around that it's the crew.

I think this is a must have!

Pat

I think the new character is the person on the IMDB link I have included... Procede only if you want to know who it is. I am not sure what their story line will be. And, I'm not really sure though if this will be a continuing role or just for a few episodes.

SPOILERS REGARDING NEW CHARACTER AHEAD:

I don't think the actor I posted was just used in a walk on role. He is sort of a well known actor so I don't think he was just used as the guy with a rash. LOL

The 2004 date you are looking at refers to when the show "Lost" began and I'm guessing maybe the series year. I had read this person was going to be "the new character" on some spoiler threads. Check down in the "guest appearances" and the message boards section on the IMDB under his name. He is due to be in some future episodes and hasn't been in any past ones. And, in case you don't recall, main characters have been listed as "guests" occassionally on IMDB for LOST. I think it may be their way to throw off spoilers.

I was thinking Alex may be the main character but this guy seems a little old for him/her. I would have also liked to see Rose's husband found alive, but here too I don't think the actor quite fits the bill. Maybe next year. I'm still wondering if another major character is going to die. Rumors are saying so. Have you heard anything about that?

Interesting about the new character...that should be interesting. There is an actor listed on IMDB also who was cast as "Steve" and "Scott" (one of whom was killed off, can't remember which one) It's so darn hard to tell with this show bc of the Red Shirts!!

I am really bummed about Rose, people seemed to love her and what she represented and the writers just never did anything with her. But the least they can do is have the decency to authenticate her being around and keep her in some background shots!

I also heard rumors that Ethan will be back... No idea if this is feasible, but a) he was breathing when they killed him (did anyone notice that? Kind of makes you think bc the writers never do anything without a purpose) and b) I have one word for you: CLONES!

And wasn't he the one who burned the raft?

a) there are several times during a few episodes when you see Walt playing backgammon with Hurley and he gets the right dice throw every time (which is why Hurley owes him so much money)

b) the polar bear from the comic book

c) the raft-burning incident

d) the time when Locke is teaching him how to throw the knife and he tells him to "visualize" it

You think that Walt is just a kid but I believe he has much more significance than you might think initially. Plus he seems to connect with Locke.

Also, bear in mind, that Locke's mother told HIM he was "special" - interesting choice of words..

I don't know if the next episode will be a new one or not-anyone know? There was one of those rolling messages across the bottom of the TV saying that next weeks episode would not be seen as scheduled due to a King's basketball game....arghhh-who care about the Kings!!!!

Pat

If it's true that they are copying ideas from King's "The Stand," she may even be like that novel's Abigail and lead her own group of survivors. Both characters are older African-American women of strong faith.

We were happy to see the rerun about Michael and Walt this week, since we had missed the original airing. It was "special!" However, we eagerly look forward to the next new episode.

And then Locke's mother (even tho she's totally lying to him about his immaculate conception) says, "You're special." So I thought that was interesting since Locke and Walt seem to connect on a higher level together. They seem to understand each other and they are also the only ones who don't want to leave the island.

When I heard The Stand theory I thought perhaps Rose was modeled after the Mother Abigail character but then we don't see her again, so I have no idea at this point.

Pat

Doesn't make much sense to me but then again, I'm not writing the scripts. Speaking of which did you all hear, about three weeks ago, David Fury, who wrote many of the scripts (the better ones I might add) left.

I always felt that the Monster was psychological. Locke, for example, who has found peace on the island and feels that it had a beautiful force, saw the monster and wasn't afraid. I think it's like when you choose to be afraid of something, or not.

But how 'bout this - what if Walt made the plane crash? After all, he didn't really want to go back with his father. Now again, I don't think he actually wished directly for a plane crash, but we've already learned that he's moved around so much he hates moving. He may have been sitting on that plane brooding, full of anger and confusion, "I wish I wasn't on this plane. I don't wanna go back to New York with this man I hardly know." Maybe he even secretly wished, "I wish this plane would crash so I wouldn't have to deal." Boom. Plane crashes.

Where did he get his powers from? His mother, Susan? From Michael? Is there any evidence that shows that either of them had any similar power? One supposition I've seen going around about this incident is that, as soon as Michael yelled into the pay phone, "I'm coming to get my son!" he hung up and got hit by the car. Did Susan do that? Again, not literally, but by emotional osmosis, if you will. I don't want him here - boom - he gets hit by a car, and it delays him.

That's my personal theory about Walt's power. Whether he made the plane crash, who knows. But I think his power stems from emotional places rather than intellectual ones.

moongirl, your comment above about picturing "Clifford" cracked me up! LOL

I guess it may have been good if you never saw any of it before. (beth, did daughter#3 like it?) Did anyone pick up anything important they missed the first time around?

News item of the day: Tom Cruise & Katie Holmes Are Dating (I never would have put those two together)

Bottom line, it was lame and anyone who never watched the show before could not have possible learned anything. Like 24 and other multi-layered shows, this is a series that has to be watched - experienced - for yourself, from minute one.

Pat

Years ago recap shows may have worked because there wasn't too much difficult plot going on. On that note, I posted a fascinating article from the NY Times on the forum that delves into how TV formulas have become more richly layered with more complex character development, overlapping storylines and complicated dialogue. The author proposes that as a result we are using our brains much more to watch TV than we did say, 20-30 years ago. I thought it was very interesting, and probably very true. Please check it out if you have time!

I wonder if there is something medically wrong with Jack.

And the scenes of Sawyer, Charlie and the baby made me laugh.

I have noticed him huffing and puffing alot in the last episodes, but that may just be Matt Fox's acting!

If anyone's a few neurons short of a synapse, it's Shannon! I realize it's her brother and all, but this is mighty dramatic behavior from someone who couldn't give a flying fig about him before. Maybe she realizes now how much she cared about him, or maybe she has guilt.

I thought the Sayid backstory was great. I loved finally finding out the whole saga of how he got to Australia and why he was going to LA. I felt bad for him, tho, they really put him between a rock and a hard place. He's definitely one of the good ones, probably the most stable and sensible guy on the island.

So they're all finally going to learn about the hatch, well that should bring things up a notch! I thought Walt's reaction to the hatch intriguing, also. It made me wonder, does he know what's inside? Does he think it's an evil thing? OR - will whatever's inside help them get off the island and he doesn't want it opened bc he doesn't want to leave? Hmmm...what are his motivations?

However, rather than dealing with their own feelings of guilt, they find it easier to make Locke the scapegoat and blame him.

First of all I love Mackenzie Astin and I'm so thrilled they used him. Kind of incestuous since Dominic became close buds with his brother on Lord of the Rings. I wonder if that's how he got the job.

So...when Kate said the little plane belonged to the man she loved AND the man she killed, she was telling the truth on both accounts. Altho she didn't kill him, but she indirectly caused his death and she must feel very guilty.

Interesting that she obviously was already an outlaw before she came back to Iowa. What on earth did she do (or allegedly do?) She must have ran when they were young and he ended up marrying someone else.

Also I thought it was intriguing that Sun poisoned Michael since she was bonding with him - AND - that her feelings for her husband still overrided whatever connection she was building with Michael. I think Sun and Jin's story is so fascinating, their dynamic and tension and the fact that he is leaving her, or willing to leave her.

BTW, loved the New Kids on the Block lunchbox!

I must admit, Walt is getting curiouser and curiouser. We haven't seen his background yet, other than in connection with a scene or two with his mother and then when Michael took him.

Pat

moongirl,
Maybe I misunderstood it, but I thought that Sun meant to poison Jin, not Michael. That the water got messed up and Michael was poisoned by mistake.

Velly velly interesting when Locke touches Walt's arm and he repeats DON'T OPEN IT... He obviously has some extrasensory perception. Gee... wonder what's in it? A deadly virus? An alian terminator? A T-Rex?

Another velly velly interesting scene when Sawyer tells Kate 'he's leavin' 'cause there ain't nothin' worth stayin' here for'... Oooohhh lots of sexual tension, wot?

I personally did not find the episode disappointing. It moved slowly that's for sure, but I was intrigued by Kate's background and finding out more about her past love life. We all wanted to know who the mystery man in her life was and the origin of the plane. Now we just have to find out who she was married briefly to, and why. And what she did to make her an criminal. Also - her mother had a pretty freaky reaction to her, what could she have done that was so horrible that even her own mother hates her? She must have put her mother though hell.

Here's another poignant thought - Naveen Andrews, in an interview, once pointed out that what's so great about this show, is that on the island, all of society's rules are thrown out the window, that people are not judged by the rules of every day life, and what people were in the real world doesn't hold here. Well...I thought it was interesting that once everyone found out about Kate's criminal past, society's rules and judgements kicked in, everyone started looking at her differently, as if they were back in civilation. She's not what we thought - she's a criminal! I thought that was a fascinating look at the way people think and how much our society's laws shape people's perspective. I heard the writers are very influenced by Rod Serling (one of my favorites) and this is a prime example of Serling's philosophy about human nature. It will also be interesting when the truth about the castaways starts to come out.

What I was so freaked about with Walt was when Michael said, "We don't have to go" and Walt replied, "Yes we do." That tells me that he believes that whatever is in the hatch is far worse than what's out there in the vast ocean, because he recognizes the need to get off the island PDQ.

One final cute thought - I loved when Charlie said to Kate, "Don't you want to be famous?" Talk about art imitating life!