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Posted by anyanka (My Page) on Tue, Jun 6, 06 at 7:25
| Sorry for the title. I couldn't find a way to put that into plainer English. What I'm after - in a purely playful way, with no wrongs, rights and hopefully not too many arguments - are comparisons between today's actors and the great & gone ones.
For example, I feel that Tom Hanks is the Jimmy Stewart of our day. A solid actor with leanings towards sentimental roles, usually the slightly bumbling good guy or the accidental hero. Not that I came up with the comparison that way - it was purely intuitive with a tagged-on explanation; I just find that although Hanks and Stewart appear to be thoroughly nice guys, I don't really enjoy their movies...
Harrison Ford has turned out to be our John Wayne, the gung-ho hero fighting to protect what is right (and you can take that in its political sense, too!). Or should I equate him with Charlton Heston. Again, I avoid both!
On the positive side, there's George Clooney - he's a better actor than Cary Grant, of course, and in order to make this equation work you have to ignore his serious films, but in his comedies there's a Grantish lightness, charm and irresistability. I think.
Your turn.
Noticed how all my examples are male?
Not sure why that is... but I'm quite positive that there is no Marilyn today. |
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RE: Contemporary equivalents of the great bygones?
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| I liken Meryl Streep to Bette Davis, Nicole Kidman to Katherine Hepburn, although maybe more in popularity rather than equal talent, it's hard to draw a direct contemporary, each actor is unique. A not complete, but similar male counterpart I can think of is Hugh Jackman to Clint Eastwood. Also Morgan Freeman to Sidney Poitier. Does anyone feel that Angelina Jolie maybe was being subtely touted as Marilyn-esque? I don't think any woman wants any notion of bimbo added to their reputation ;-/ |
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| What about Audrey Tautou as Audrey Hepburn, Gwenneth Paltrow (or Cate Blanchett?)as Grace Kelly? I'm trying to make the leap from Brad Pitt to Robert Redford, as they starred in a film together, but somehow that does not compute! Where is the latter day Paul Newman and/or Clark Gable? |
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| Man, this is tough. I'm coming up empty trying to draw modern parallels to Hepburn/Tracey; The Marx Brothers; Ginger Rogers; etc. Gary Oldman has kinda a Robert Mitchum vibe for playing scary. Sandra Bullock as the spunky/comedic/dramatic Jean Arthur? |
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| Here's a challenge -- find a modern equivalent for Peter Lorre! I was thinking Alan Rickman but I don't know. Peter Lorre had more of a creepy vibe than just a "bad guy" vibe. Or maybe a modern equivalent to Sidney Greenstreet? I remember they tried to do modern remake of The Big Sleep with Robert Mitchum but somehow I couldn't see him as a Bogart analogue. Marx Brothers = Wayan Brothers?! Maybe? (I'm sure some people will want to shoot me for even daring to make the comparison!) Aha! How about Laurence Olivier = Kenneth Branagh? By the way, is it Morgan Freeman = Sidney Poitier or is it Denzel Washington = Sidney Poitier? |
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| Funny, I recently had a conversation like this with someone. For several years now the film industry has compared Tom Hanks to Jimmy Stewart. He seems to simply be "the actor of our time." Sorry, I don't see Nicole as a Katherine Hepburn - Kate was smart, sassy and witty, a woman not afraid to wear the pants and tell a man who was wearing them. Rather, I liken Nicole Kidman to Grace Kelly. She is like the cool, graceful, polished princess. I have heard George Clooney compared to Cary Grant, especially around the Oscars all the critics were calling him that, and I can see that, he certainly has the charm and looks just as good in a tuxedo. But *I* actually liken him to Warren Beatty (the OLD - or should I say YOUNG Warren Beatty.) Think about it, he is totally following in Beatty's footsteps...the handsome, quintessential bachelor all the women have either been with or want to be with, takes unusual roles, an actor who now is an award-winning director. Remember how everyone said Warren Beatty will NEVER get married? I liken Lindsay Lohan to Ann-Margaret. Not only does she physically remind me of her, but like Ann, she has been thru the teen thing, and has embodied that young, blossoming, sex-kitten quality. There are lots of young stars in Hollywood today but not many of them have that. It will be interesting to see how she transfers into adult screen roles. Sorry, I haven't seen anyone yet who even closely reminds me of Marilyn Monroe. Definitely NOT Angelina, no one. Marilyn was effervescent, she could laugh at herself, she could "play dumb" and still come off like underneath she was smart as a whip and she was endearing enough to make everyone fall in love with her. No one today has that quality! Ok, I'll buy Audrey Tautou as Audrey. She certainly looks like her. I don't know about her style and charm, tho. |
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| I agree with you, moongirl, about Kidman. I don't think she's like K. Hepburn but a lot more like Grace Kelly. I'm not sure Audrey Tautou should really be compared to A. Hepburn just yet though. How about Mae West and Bette Midler? Anyone have anyone for Catherine Zeta Jones? I think she is so beautiful and movie star like. I'm having a hard time coming up with many comparisons. Here's some older award nominated actor names. Thought they may help with this game. Anyone got any ideas for any of these? Irene Dunn Ginger Rogers Barbara Stanwyck Olivia de Haviland Ingrid Bergman Angela Lansbury Jennifer Jones Rosaling Russel Elizabeth Taylor Sophia Loren Doris Day Bing Crosby Charlton Heston Frank Sinatra James Dean Mickey Rooney Humphrey Bogart |
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| Do you think that part of the problem is that the actors of an earlier age were so thoroughly packaged by their studios? And that they made so many movies that even a so-so rate of success gave them a decent number stellar roles we love today? I'd put Kevin Spacey up against any of our golden era movie heroes. Tobey McGuire = Mickey Rooney? Morgan Freeman stands alone. Poitier doesn't come close. Emma Thompson as our Katherine Hepburn? |
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| Kiefer Sutherland and James Cagney. Might be the style of acting Gary Cooper and Timothy Dalton - again style of acting Orson Welles and Vincent D'Onofrio (looks and brooding quality) Meryl Streep and Glenn Close are comparable to the actresses of long ago. Like Bette Davis - not afraid of looking bad in a movie if the part calls for it. IMHO |
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| Thanks for joining in everyone - lots of great ideas here! Minnie, are you aware that Vincent d'Onofrio played Orson Welles in Tim Burton's 'Ed Wood'? Moongirl, your expansion on why and how there is no Marilyn now is spot-on. I don't think there ever will be anyone like her, either. - Angelina Jolie is more in the league of the 'lesser smoulderers', perhaps Jean Harlow or so. The problem with the Clooney/Beatty comparison is the absence of humour in Beatty. Clooney is a great comedian, as shown in his Coen Brothers roles, as well as a great charmer. For Peter Lorre - how about Tim Roth? For some reason, Carole Lombard springs in connection with Catherine Zeta Jones. |
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| carla's list makes me re-think a bit Doris Day = Reese Witherspoon ?? Elizabeth Taylor = Nicole Kidman ?! Who can we compare to Johnny Depp ?? Leonardo DiCaprio to ~ ? (Clark Gable?) Brad Pitt = Steve McQueen ? |
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| Paula, I've been wondering about Johnny Depp, too - one of my favourite actors. The first comparison that comes to me is Errol Flynn, mainly because of fine bone structure and piracy... nowhere near as versatile an actor, though - but then versatility was not much encouraged in that era, I think. P.S. in my last post it should be 'CL springs to mind in connection with CZJ'! |
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I disagree about Beatty not having a sense of humor. Have you ever seen Shampoo? What about Heaven Can Wait? Furthermore I defend my case by saying that it doesn't have that much to do with the acting style as much as the man. Clooney is exactly what Beatty was years ago. Like I said, good looks and charm, quintessential bachelor, good actor turned great director. All I know is Beatty was the forever bachelor who would never get married and now Clooney has taken over his spot. Sorry, still see Nicole as the cool ice-princess type. Not Liz Taylor. Liz was hard on her men (on screen and off!) I think Keifer = Cagney is dead-on. Funny though how the roles they're both known for are on opposite ends of the law! I recently read an article about the lead guy from the show Prison Break (his name is Wentworth Miller and he portrayed a young Anthony Hopkins in film The Human Stain) and it said that the guy who produced/cast the show saw a "Steve McQueen quality in him." I can see that, he physically reminds me of him, but he hasn't done enough acting yet for us to see his range. That being said, I'll go with Brad Pitt for lack of a better choice. Altho I don't know if I see that 100%. I'll buy Reese as Doris. I'll also agree with Vincent and Orson. I can also see Carole Lombard as Catherine Zeta-Jones. And yes, Emma Thompson might be the closest thing so far to our Katherine Hepburn. I might also see Scarlett Johansen as Lauren Bacall. Many of her roles involve her using her young, smoldering, feminine wiles to appeal to men. Not in a manipulative way, just well, subtly seductive. I liken Meryl Streep to Olivia de Haviland more than Bette Davis. Bette always seduced the men and then threw them away, whereas Olivia never played the temptress, but she could always mold herself to play really interesting characters. I don't think Johnny Depp can be compared to anyone. He is certainly a new kind of actor. Maybe Erroll Flynn - but only when he is playing a swashbuckling pirate! |
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| How about Johnny Depp = Charlie Chaplin? |
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| The thing with Depp though is, he is wildly off the map that he really can't be considered any one persona. But OK, I'll buy that. |
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| anyanka (My Page) on Wed, Jun 7, 06 at 7:43 Thanks for joining in everyone - lots of great ideas here! Minnie, are you aware that Vincent d'Onofrio played Orson Welles in Tim Burton's 'Ed Wood'? No, I'm one of the few that didn't see that movie. |
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| You know who also reminds me a little bit of Orson Welles? Not personality or acting-wise, but physically. It's his face. Vince Vaughn! |
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I love Vince Vaughn. I really liked him in Clay Pigeions. Now that you mention it he does kind of favor Welles. Too tall though. He was good in A Cool Dry Place also. I think he is an actor who can hold a film almost single handedly. But Vincent captures the moodiness of Welles. |
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| Oh I agree Minnie, I think Vincent D is the closest thing to Welles today. But VV's face reminds me of his look. I think it's the baggy eyes and puffy cheeks! So we can't think of any other comparisons? Where is everybody? |
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| So it occurred to me....how about Jim Carrey as our Danny Kaye? |
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| ...or maybe Jim Carrey=Jerry Lewis ? |
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| John Waters = Tod Browning |
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James Dean or Montgomery Clift = Johnny Depp Katherine Hepburn = Cate Blanchett Liz Taylor = Angelina Jolie Sophia Loren = Penelope Cruz Frank Sinatra = Harry Connick Jr. Just some thoughts. Great Post, gets ya thinking! |
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| Hepburn/Blanchett is spot on IMO! Have changed my mind about Harrison Ford - he's not our John Wayne, but our Gary Cooper. John Wayne was succeeded by Arnold Schwarzenegger, of course. |
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| What do you think about comparing Jolie to Ava Gardner? I don't really see a comparison between Penelope Cruz and Sophia Loren, but maybe I just haven't seen enough movies with Cruz in them. Just physically, Loren was voluptuous (or marketed that way) and Cruz is such a stick. I like the comparison of Clooney to Warren Beatty. I do see that. |
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| Ava Gardner is classier than Jolie. I think Lana Turner is a closer fit; smouldering, sexy but a little bit vulgar with it. I had been trying to find a match for Kevin Costner (whom I don't like) but couldn't think of one. Then came across an article about Glenn Ford (whom I had completely forgotten). Perfect match, in my opinion. Both do minimal amounts of acting, both very masculine bordering on blokish/rough, both have something dour and stodgy about them. Nevertheless, quite popular and successful. |
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| In place of Clooney as Cary Grant, I offer Pierce Brosnan. Now if he would just go back to doing more romantic capers like the Remington Steele days! How about Kim Basinger = Veronica Lake (sorry, it's the hair) She's getting up there, but even over the past few decades, I feel like Diane Keaton has been our Katherine Hepburn. Jessica Simpson is such a pin-up girl...hmmm I might liken her to Brigitte Bardot? (can't say much for Jess' acting abilities tho) And I can't say much for her acting, but looks-wise, I see such a resemblance between Mischa Barton and Julie Christie? Is it just me? |
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Howzabout Doug Hutchison (better known as weirdo Percy in The Green Mile) for Peter Lorre? He sure as heck freaked me out in the X-File series... Emma Thompson as Katherine Hepburn sounds right Tim Roth = Richard Widmark Tobey Maguire = Glen Ford Annette Benning = Jean Arthur Robert Downey Jr = Chaplin (he was just too awesome in the movie) Catherine ZJones = Ava Gardner Juliette Binoche = Liz Taylor Johnny Depp = Peter O'Toole |
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| Hey I was watching the beloved "The Red Shoes" this weekend and it dawned on me how much Debra Messing looks like Moira Shearer. Obviously their acting is nothing remotely similar (if you call what Debra does "acting") but I couldn't help notice how alike they look. And it isn't just the hair, it's the face, too. |
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| Who do we have for Robert Mitchum? I was thinking Russell Crowe ?? ;-D |
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| Good one, Paula! Moongirl, I'm a huge fan of The Red Shoes (I own it)and of ballet in general. Why don't I know who Debra Messing is? And is she a ballet dancer? Who would be the latter day Anton Walbrook? |
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| Woodnymph, Debra Messing is Grace on "Will & Grace." I LOVE The Red Shoes and had not seen it in a very long time, like, in over a decade. Obviously a decade ago I had no idea who Debra Messing was. I kept looking at Moira and thinking, "Gosh, who does she remind me of? Who, who, WHO?" And then it dawned on me. |
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| Mitchum/Crowe is spot-on! As is Zeta Jones/Ava Gardner. If you lot absolutely refuse to let me have George Clooney as Cary Grant, then may I please have Brad Pitt? I realised the other day that there are of course completely different approaches to this game, depending if you work on physical similarity, similar roles, whether you start with the modern actor or the old one. Or, you can start with a specific performance: I was rewatching a Cary Grant classic the other day, and tried to imagine it being remade today - e.g. 'Bringing up Baby' or 'Arsenic and Old Lace' - and could only imagine Clooney or Pitt doing a similarly good job of being handsome and funny. |
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| I could totally see Clooney in that role. Not Brad. But I guess my point was as a personality, as the kind of role he has taken on in Hollywood, Clooney reminds me of Warren. In an actual role onscreen, my gosh, put George in a tux and cast him in any Cary Grant vehicle! |
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| Any fan of The Red Shoes might be interested in The Tales of Hoffman, a film also by Powell and Pressburger, also with Moira Shearer. Searching Amazon prepatory for this post, I discovered that the Criterion Collection has finally issued this film on DVD as they've been promising to do for several years. Why the listing turned up on a search in the VHS category and not in the DVDs I don't know. |
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| cjoseph, thank you for posting the above information. This old film is another long time favorite of mine. For years I tried to find it and was told it was unavailable! |
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| I thought of another while away, I think Rene Zellweger is today's Shirley McClaine! |
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| She really is, Paula. Like Shirley, Rene can be dead serious, or cute and cornball...and she sings too! And they both have the squinty eyes thing down pat. |
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| Spot-on! I can easily imagine McLaine doing Chicago or Zellweger doing Irma La Douce. Nice one. |
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Right on with the Crowe/Mitchum comparison. Any guesses on a Jack Nicholson equivalent? John Wayne? |
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| I'll trade you a Richard Widmark for a Jack Nicholson. |
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| I mentioned Tim Roth for Richard Widmark. Or how about Willem Dafoe? For Jack... hard to see anyone in his shoes. John Wayne too... |
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| John Wayne's shoes have been filled by the big Austrian feet of Schwarzenegger. ;-) |
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| You know, after watching a lotta Bruce Willis lately, I kinda lean towards him as = John Wayne , but that's me ;-D |
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| Yeah, you've got a point - I could easily see Willis in any remake of a Wayne film; on the other hand I could not imagine Wayne in 'Pulp Fiction' or '12 Monkeys'. I have to confess that my analogies are also based on personal likes and dislikes - I can't stand Wayne or Schwarzenegger, but I kinda like Willis... |
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| It ocurred to me that I don't think anyone has mentioned the late Peter Finch or Richard Burton. What about Russell Crowe as a possible contemporary equivalent of both? I think the potential is there.... |
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| Is Crowe an actor of sufficient calibre to match Burton at his finest? Just off the top of my head, I'd come up with Ewan McGregor for that one. I have no opinion at all on Finch, though. |
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| I see your point re Burton. He was a hard act to follow. There is a certain raw charm re Crowe that reminds me of Burton. As I said, the potential, not the actuality.... |
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