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Good movie... bad soundtrack!

Posted by clairabelle (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 27, 07 at 12:01

Good morgenstern!
The thread on dubbing vs subtitling and omster's remark about movie music got me thinking of some movies that have, imho, a bad choice of music.

For example, period films like Knight's Tale, and more recently S. Coppola's Marie Antoinette, have used several modern rock pieces throughout. I find this utterly ridiculous and totally out of place. What's the point?

Nuff ranting here... What comes to mind in terms of bad musical scores?


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I agree-a real turnoff for me-and you forgot Moulin Rouge!

Pat


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Moulin Rouge .... sigh. I REALLY REALLY wanted to watch AND enjoy that movie. But I simple could NOT get past the first musical number.

Ok, here's a blast from the past -- Flash Gordon. The movie wasn't all THAT bad (although people would beg to differ) but a disco inspired soundtrack just ruined it.

Speaking of soundtracks, I've always thought that Quentin Tarantino had a knack for interesting choices in his soundtracks. Most of his choices, IMHO, were quite good.


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I lo-ove Sergio Leone as well as Ennio Morricone...... and so I bought a copy of Duck You Sucker..... peeeyew!!! I knew the film was a stinker and I have no problem with that but the soundtrack? It just made it sooooo much worse than it had to be.


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I almost turned off Closer (w/ Clive Owen, Jude Law, Julia Roberts and Natalie Portman) when they played that Damien Rice song, The Blower's Daughter, which incessantly repeats

I can't take my eyes off of you....

I hated that song.


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I could not agree more. In line with your post and bad soundtracks, please let me make the following personal observation.

Many types of music are far too specific to the dated trends that they attach themselves to. They project a feel for the era that they were written and released within. I know this is true with many of the films that I watched recently that were made in the 80s. In order to suite my taste, a couple of key ingredients must essentially be present to formulate a really great soundtrack.

This formula does not apply itself to soundtracks that merely consist of different pop music songs of one form or another. When a CD comes out with the popular filler of songs which helped to make up more or less an effective musical collage to support the film, personally I think those are more of a greatest hits compilation than a real soundtrack. After all, these bright musical stars against and over all bleak black fabric of musical space actually only constitute a relatively small portion of a whole. This type of marketing offers highlights from a soundtrack because that's where the money is and we can all appreciate that.

For me, a great soundtrack is composed and written from an original standpoint. It doesn't rely on previously attained musical heights but rather creates them within the film's context. In this sense the film and music are really one.

This accomplishes several really important and potential musical functions. The basic biggies that come to mind are:

Timelessness, Sequential development and reinforcement & emotional response support.


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Shades of Twin Peaks! How could I have forgotten (lurch) Moulin Rouge!!! All that talent...

I agree, dynomutt, about Tarantino's choice of music, like in Kill Bill, for instance. Oh for sure, there are many many exquisite examples of what WORKS, too many to name here.

And when we go back to the oldies, music plays NON-STOP throughout the entire film; quite distrating, actually.


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on the other hand I think the beautiful music by John Barry made Somewhere In Time a success


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Ok, here's a blast from the past -- Flash Gordon. The movie wasn't all THAT bad (although people would beg to differ) but a disco inspired soundtrack just ruined it.
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I agree I liked it and loved Timothy Dalton in it. Wasn't it Queen who did the music?


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Yes, now that you mention it, Queen MAY have done the soundtrack to Flash Gordon.

By the way, in contrast to clairabelle's observation about oldies playing music throughout the movie, there's the stuff from the 60s and earlier when NO music played! I mean, look at movies like "Day of the Jackal" (the original, of course, not that mishmash of a remake with Bruce Willis -- assassinating the First Lady? Puh-leeze ....), "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold", and "The Seventh Seal".

With some of these oldies, I kind of WANTED some music -- the panoramic views with pure silence was kind of unnerving. I wanted some music so that SOMETHING would happen. ;-)


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Dissenting voice here. I loved the music in A Knight's Tale and Moulin Rouge - both of which I own and re-watch every few months. Moulin Rouge opens with homages to The Rocky Horror Picture Show and the Wizard of Oz and half the fun is recognizing all the movies it plays with.


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Another dissenting voice: the music in both "Knight's Tale" and espec. "Marie Antoinette" merely enhanced the films for me. I found the approach refreshing.

On the other hand, I so agree with Clairabelle re older films from the 1940's playing inappropriate, saccharine music non-stop, which adds nothing to the film. A perfect example: I just watched "Dragon Seed", with Kate Hepburn, set in China. Had they played a bit of oriental-sounding music, it might have been ok but the circa 1944 garbage that Hollywood inserted almost ruined the movie for me!


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For me great soundtracks would include:

Older: The Sting & Star Wars
New: The Number 23 & The Bourne Ultimatum


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I also loved the deliberate anachronism in 'Knight's Tale', and thought 'Moulin Rouge' was absolutely superb. The music in the latter matches the overall concept: both are deliberately full of clichees, rehashing old plots and trite pop songs, and somehow turning them into something new and exciting.

My vote for worst soundtrack goes to 'Blade Runner'. Great film, still looks fresh, but sounds like deepest 1980s.


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There you go. Good thing we agree to disagree ;) which is the beauty of this forum. Loved every bit of Blade Runner... As for Moulin Rouge, I've watched it twice and hey, I love musicals, but just could not wrap my brain around this one...


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I liked a Knight's Tale, too, but I can't resist that combination of yummy actors: Heath Ledger, Rufus Sewell, and Paul Bettany. I seem to remember the Director responding to criticisms by saying that even Classical music is an anachronism for a Medieval period piece, but no one seems to complain about that pairing.

I actually loved the inclusion of the Queen song in Flash Gordon. It felt right for the campy/theatrical mood of the film, and this was one of those fun, midnight movie sort of films we would flock to and just have fun. Besides, wasn't Topol in this film? How many times do you even get to see Topol in a film?

What's the production term for how musicals segue from talking to playing the song and dance number? I remember being bothered by how they transition into and out of the musical numbers in Grease. I always did prefer the old musicals to the modern ones, though (by old I mean pre 70s).


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At the top of my list for a great soundtrack is the one from the older film, "Excalibur". Directed by John Boorman, it is one version of the King Arthur story. In it were used music from Wagner, ("Siegfried's Journey", I believe, as well as some of the medieval, secular music from Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana." Both of these greatly enhanced the power of this drama for me.


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I can't resist that combination of yummy actors: Heath Ledger, Rufus Sewell, and Paul Bettany - you don't mention my favourite in that film: Alan Tudyk. Not so much yummy, but brilliantly hilarious.


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I have a weakness for redheads (known in the South Park world as gingers,) so count me as a Tudyk fan.

My idea of a wonderful soundtrack was that from Some Mother's Son by Bill Whelan.


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I very rarely buy soundtrack albums, especially not the pop/rock compilations. Among the few that I own and treasure are The Piano, Les Choristes, The Blues Brothers and Habla Con Ella (Talk to Her).


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IMO, two other films with marvelous sound tracks: "Cold Mountain", and "Elizabeth".


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Broken Flowers has a beautiful, evocative soundtrack.

I recall going to one of those Batman movies and having to leave because of the bombastic to the point of absurdity soundtrack. I've not seen any of the Batman franchise since.... scarred me for life I guess.


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Hey! I walked out of a Batman movie, too. The one with Uma as Poison Ivy. Not the music so much as it was just an awful film.


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I just remembered another film with a soundtrack that bothered me: The Last Mohican. I like Clannad, but their songs just didn't fit at all.

When I mentioned this subject to film-studies-daughter, she came up with 'American Beauty' as a particularly good soundtrack - not the kind where you buy the CD, but the kid where the music is an integral part of the message or atmosphere.


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The 2002 film of The Importance of Being Ernest was on TV not long ago, with Judi Dench, Colin Firth and Rupert Everett. Besides giving Lady Bracknell an unlikely 'past' (as a dancing girl) and Firth and Everett being far too old to be playing Algy and Jack the music was so wrong for that High Victorian period.
'Lady Come Down' is a great number but not in that context.

Here is a link that might be useful: Lady Come Down


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Vee, I disliked everything about that film intensely.


 
 

 

 


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