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NY Times article about shrinking movie theatre audiences

Posted by Spamlet (My Page) on
Mon, Dec 19, 05 at 0:39

A while back someone here (can't find it in the archives) was talking about how they can't stand going to theatres anymore due to rudeness etc. Well this ought to interest y'all:

The National Association of Theater Owners, the primary trade group for exhibitors, is pushing to improve the theatrical experience by addressing complaints about on-screen advertisements, cellphones in theaters and other disruptions, while planning a public relations campaign to promote going out to the movies.

Some exhibitors are hiring more ushers to ride herd on inconsiderate patrons and are thinking about banning children after a certain hour, to cut down on crying babies in the theater, said John Fithian, president of the trade group.

"We have to attack rude behavior - fighting, bickering, talking too loud," Mr. Fithian said.

Some of the proposed solutions may not be so popular. The trade group plans to petition the Federal Communications Commission to permit the blocking of cellphones inside theaters, Mr. Fithian said. That would require changing an existing regulation, he added. But some theaters are already testing a no-cellphones policy, asking patrons to check their phones at the theater door.

A spokesman for a cellphone lobby said the group would object to any regulatory change. "We're opposed to the use of any blocking technology, because it interferes with people's ability to use a wireless device in an emergency situation," said Joseph Farren, a spokesman for CTIA-the Wireless Association, based in Washington.

Moviegoers' biggest complaint, however, is ticket prices. A recent online study found that price was the reason most often cited by those polled for staying away, far more than movie quality or rude behavior. The price of movie tickets has risen steadily over time, about 5 percent in the last two years. An adult ticket now typically costs $10 in major cities like New York and Los Angeles, though the average ticket price nationally is $6.34.

"It's gotten too expensive to go the theater," said Lauren Schneider, 49, who was strolling along the Santa Monica pedestrian mall on a brisk evening recently with her husband, Sascha. "You need a baby sitter. Tickets are $10, the popcorn is another $10. Before you're done it's a $50 night out."

When they think a movie is a must-see - like "King Kong" or "Good Night, and Good Luck" - they will go, said the couple. Otherwise, "if it's borderline, I'll wait to rent it on DVD," Mrs. Schneider said.

Mr. Fithian insisted that going to the movies is not too expensive, compared to other out-of-the-home leisure activities. "If consumers seriously analyzed their options, they'd realize that the cinema is the best value for a buck," he said.

The theater owners group plans to hire a public relations firm to promote that message, though Mr. Fithian acknowledged that his argument has so far fallen on deaf ears.

Among a dozen moviegoers interviewed at the Santa Monica AMC theater, almost all cited ticket prices as a major factor in deciding whether to attend a movie. Several said ads were a nuisance. Most cited the caliber of the movies as the biggest issue.

"There's a lack of quality stories," said Lisa Martin, 40, from Bakersfield, Calif., who was on her way to see "Syriana." "We feel like if we're going to spend this amount of money, we want to see something good."

None said ringing cellphones was a major problem, and some suggested that being denied access to their phones would discourage them from going to the theater. "I don't want an 18-year-old in charge of my cellphone," Mrs. Martin's husband, Clay, said, referring to the possibility that cellphones would be left at the door. "I have a $700 phone."

Asked about the proposals, Douglas Heller, executive director of the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, said that blocking phones might be a cure worse than the illness. "It doesn't sound like it's a plan that's been really thought out," he said. "There's a legitimate reaction against cellphone use in theaters, by moviegoers and theater owners. But I don't think the public is going to react very well to being handled in this way."

Even without new policies, theater owners say they are aggressively trying to respond to customer complaints and to maintain the comfort of seeing a movie in a big dark public space. Indeed, theater chains have invested in recent years in numerous amenities designed to upgrade the theatrical experience, with stadium seating, upscale restaurants in the lobby or state-of-the-art sound systems.

"We are trying to do a better job of policing our auditoriums, and making sure that if somebody is acting up in the theater, that they get one chance to shut off their cellphone or quit talking, and after that, they're asked to leave," said Aubrey Stone, president of the Georgia Theater Company, which owns theaters with 267 screens in Georgia, South Carolina and Virginia. "We don't want to ask people to leave, but they're ruining the experience for other patrons."

The measures are the first concerted response by movie exhibitors, the sector of the movie industry hit hardest this year. There has been a decline in the box office of more than 5 percent, and an even larger decline in movie attendance. The downturn has led some Hollywood studios to consider reducing, or even eliminating, the length of time between a theatrical release and that of the DVD, on the presumption that more people want to see movies in their homes.

Exhibitors vigorously oppose closing this gap, and their trade group has insisted that the current slump is merely a momentary dip in a cyclical business. The group contends that ticket sales are up over a 35-year period, though the industry's own figures show a decline in ticket sales for three years in a row, after a banner year in 2002.

Mr. Fithian and other executives said they had responded to the box-office slump by examining consumer research and listening more closely to patrons. They say that the three main complaints are movie advertisements, cellphones and other disturbances and the high price of going to the movies.

Theater owners will not eliminate on-screen advertisements, because doing so would drive ticket prices higher, Mr. Fithian said. But they are looking at ways to make the ads more entertaining and to mix them with information about the movies.

Screenvision, one of two companies that package on-screen advertising for exhibitors, has recently invested $50 million in a digital projection system to improve the viewing quality of the advertising. The other company, National CineMedia, is introducing 20-minute packages, which include, along with the ads, behind-the-scenes segments from movie sets like "King Kong."

"The biggest complaint we get from audiences is, 'We've seen it before on TV,' " said Kurt Hall, the chairman of National CineMedia. "We are taking that head on and going to try to achieve our goal by the end of the year, which is to have everything be original."

But Matthew Kearney, the chief executive of Screenvision, disputed the notion that advertising was a reason audiences might be staying home more. Ads "are not a deterrent" to going to the movies, he said. "Our current studies show that given the choice between ads or a blank screen, only 8 percent prefer a blank screen."

Still, he said, "we have to continue to try and improve what we're doing." He added, "If we don't, someone else will attract the audience to stay at home and watch TV, or play video games, or go to a restaurant."

Mr. Fithian said that consumers are complaining about the length and quality of ads. And he said advertising takes up too much time in the theater. How long is too long? "I don't know how long it should be," he said, "but it should be less than it is now."


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RE: NY Times article about shrinking movie theatre audiences

I think it's naive to compare cinema ticket prices to the price of other 'out-of-the-home leisure activities' - you have to compare it to seeing movies at home. For our family of four, an outing to the cinema complete with popcorn and a round of drinks adds up to around £40. For £10 a month, I get up to 6 DVDs via internet rental. I do prefer to see good movies at the cinema, but not when you pay that much and then have to put up with someone chatting throughout, or kicking the back of your seat! I do think DVD rental has got to be the biggest factor affecting movie theatres/cinemas now.


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One of the biggest problems in seeing a movie at the theater is the "chompers". By that I am referring to the people, mostly obese, who are loudly chomping on popcorn and slurping down huge containers of coca cola. They often spill the coca cola and the drinks roll down the aisles, making it difficult to sit down without being in a puddle of coca cola. Then they loudly open boxes of candy or those huge bags of assorted candies that they purchase by the bagful in the lobby. Theaters should try a rule where people can eat their popcron and gulp their coca cola in the lobby. But let the rest of use watch the movie in peace and quiet. And when these people are not gulping down popcorn, they oftrn walk down the aisle where you are sitting to get to their seats and you have to get up repeatedly and they often are blocking your view during crucial times in the movie. So it is no surprise that people watch on DVD instead.


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The biggest problem for me, is that society has allowed the theatre-going event, to downgrade to akind as to watching a movie in your house. Getting up repeatedly to pee, get more food, making/receiving phone calls, it's annoying to other patrons. These people don't care what's happening on the screen, and their flea brains can't concentrate more than a minute. It's just a place to hang out. It used to be that you were politely quiet, so everyone could enjoy, that's what you paid for. Babies were not brought to the theatre. All this has been allowed to happen. The only time we go is at off peak times, to get away from the slobs.


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I heard about this on the radio just this morning. I heard that cell phone companies are upset that "what if there is an emergency? How can people get through?" and someone on the other side said, "If you're free enough to go to the movies what could possibly be going on in your life that is an emergency?" Plus I would like to add that these days we have text messaging so if something is that important you can hold an entire conversation silently. My favorite is the people who actually answer the phone and instead of "Sorry, gotta call you back" they're like, "Hey what's up?" and have whole conversations for 10 minutes about nothing. If someone has taken the time and spent the money to have a movie-going experience I cannot imagine how that person would want to take a phone call. My other issue is the baby and toddler dragging. My favorite was when I went to see Identity. Ok, let's start with the fact that it was like 10:00 PM, um, shouldn't your kid be in bed? But more than that, that was a deeply psychologically disturbing film, with blood and gore and murders and stuff. WHY WHY WHY would you take a 3 year old? That could have damaging affects on a toddler. But sure enough there was a 3 year old in the audience, crying it's lungs out. Well, duh! Bottom line... the problem is etiquette, or rather the lack of it in today's society. True, with new technology comes new territory in certain etiquettes, but being considerate shouuld never go out of style.


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When I saw King Kong in a NYC theater while visiting NYC for a few days, there was a guy busily answering his blackberry/telephone and loudly telling some subordinate that he had to deliver something or be fired. Then the guy sat in a prime seat in the theater and announced to anyone who tried to sit in the entire row that he "was saving the seats" for colleagues from his investment banking company. The guy almost caused four or five fist fights in the theater. Then when his friends started coming into the theater (five minutes into the movie), they loudly looked for the seats and greeted their colleague loudly and warmly and blocked everyone's view while they took off their coats and sweaters. Their cell phones rang during the movie, although some of them at least went to vibration mode. At the end of the movie, while some of us were trying to see the credits, they annoyingly stood up and again blocked the view. And of course, there were virtually no ushers who could bring some semblance of order to the theater. There was only an acne filled teenage kid who was munching on a bagful of candy and had no interest in the movie going experience. Small wonder it's better to stay home.


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Dear reggie, you reeeeeallllly need to go at off times. We went to Kong on a Wednesday late afternoon, when it was about 10 degrees outside. No one there, and we luuuvved it. The crowded times are just not worth it. What I really loved was earlier this year at the midnight showing of the last Star Wars was the devoted QUIET audience. They were there for the movie. Granted, it was midnight (Yawwwwwwnnnnn), but still -


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Good suggestion. I am going to try the 3:45pm showing over the weekend as that should be too early for the annoying noisy types. BTW, the NY Times has an article last Sunday about how billionaire Mark Cuban is investing hundreds of millions of dollars into buying theaters and equipping them with digital only. The Times reporter said this is silly since the current type of film that has been used for decades is better than digital for the movie going equipment and the best thing that Cuban will be able to say about the digital in his theaters is that "It won't be that much worse than regular film that your'e used to". The Times author thought that Cuban is dreaming if Cuban thinks that digitalized movie theaters will bring back the hordes of people leaving the theaters for home equipment. The Times reporter seems to think that as home theaters keep getting better and cheaper, there will be a mass exodus from the movie theaters. But the Times reporter may not understand that watching a great movie like Sideways will always be better in the theaters than at home. There is nothing at home that matches sharing a good comic scene with a group of strangers in the theater. Laughing alone or with a few people is just not the same. If the theaters would simply do something about the obese people with fat heads who always sit right in front of you with a mountain size container of foul smelling popcorn and then block your view, the theaters could regain the audience.


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I am not obese, merely chubby. My biggest problem is the seats in the theatres. They are too small and too close to the next seat. I don't like to have to be so intimate with stragers.


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Posted by: hemlady (My Page) on Wed, Jan 11, 06 at 13:11

Hi hemlady, it is my opinion seating has increased sideways in new theaters. As a matter of fact, a friend of the family, who is wide, says this is true. He can now attend movies where it was previously impossible. The old theaters were really too much.


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Bill we happen to have "old" theaters and you get elbowed constantly! They even added cup-holders to the old arm rests-watch out for that you might get that cold drink dumped on you LOL!
(Pat - still complaining because they have yet to break ground on that promised state of the art new theatre...sigh..!).

Pat


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The 'new' theater setting does provide obstacles other than elbows; stairs. If one can not climb up to the best seats, there are some at floor level that are certainly too close.

Pat, hope the new theaters come soon!


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One of the problems at some movie theaters is that they simply don't clean the floors. You sit down in your seat and next thing you know, your shoes are stuck in old chewing gum that some slob threw on the floor or your shoes are covered in someone's coca cola that a slob dropped on the floor. And if your'e paying $10.00 for the movie, who wants to sit in slop. For the price of a movie ticket, the theater owner should order a complete cleaning between shows. But the owners want to cram in as many showing as they can get (especially in a Star Wars type movie) and they simply don't allow enough time between showings to clean the darn place up.


 
 

 

 


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