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Posted by quick85 (My Page) on Thu, Jan 5, 06 at 20:09
Have you picked up debut recordings (preferably without
hearing any cuts) and really dug them only to find
follow-up recordings didn't live up to early promise, or
simply didn't do it for you. Maybe they just didn't have
that something you heard in the debut. |
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| Debut recordings that outclass anything these artists did afterward: Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte
Jon Anderson - Olias of Sunhillow
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Anthony Phillips - The Geese and the Ghost
Peter Gabriel - Untitled 1st solo album
Emerson, Lake and Palmer - First album A lot of people would disagree with me on the King Crimson and the Peter Gabriel, but there it is. |
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Not to say the following bands fell off after their debut,
far from it, but these are my favorite debuts and some of
my most liked discs: (by the way, do you catch a theme here) Buffalo Springfield: self-titled
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: Safe As Milk (debut?)
Country Joe & The Fish: Electric Music For The Mind & Body
Cream: Fresh Cream
Grateful Dead: self-titled
Jefferson Airplane: Jefferson Airplane Takes Off
Moby Grape: self-titled
The Youngbloods: Get Together Point of interest (?): Phil Lesh wrote in his new book
that the Dead were disappointed in their first release,
thought it wasn't very good at all. Can't agree Phil. |
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| Steve Forbert - Alive On Arrival |
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| drygulch - you and I generally agree on what constitutes good music in deference to the pablum some folks unwittingly eat up. Also, I don't necessarily disagree with your choices for King Crimson or Peter Gabriel, but I think your phrase "debut recordings that outclass anything these artists did afterward" may be a tad overstated (an example would be Steve Hackett's "Spectral Mornings"). In addition, since you have mentioned some of the debut efforts from Genesis members, it is a glaring mistake to omit Mike Rutherford's "Small Creep's Day". The tune 'Moonshine' alone is worth the price of admission (that is the song he sings about turning water into wine). But overall your picks appear very sensible .
Ric |
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alisonn writes:
Steve Forbert - Alive On Arrival
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Does this mean you did not think 'Jackrabbit Slim' was not a stellar album?
Ric |
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| Two bands that had great debut recordings way back were boston and the cars,and while their susequent recordings were okay thy could not equal their initial sucess. |
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I just finished watching Robert Cray on Ramsey Lewis'
"Legends of Jazz" program and it reminded me of how much
I enjoyed Cray's debut, "Too Many Cooks". For a while it
seemed his music was recorded just to garner airplay or win
Grammy's without having any real feeling to it, but his
debut is a very good blues record and a great first recording. |
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| The beatles second lp released in the states was quite good,but it paled in comparison to the spectaular meet the beatles. |
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 You must have been joking, manny, when you made that reply back in May. The question stated "follow-up recordings didn't live up to early promise." The second domestically released album certainly wasn't as good as the first, but there were a whole bunch of follow-up recordings that were, don't you think? Ric |
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| I only made reference to the drop off between the first two u.s. releases.I know this is not what the threads initial post was referring to.I strayed away from the initial topic,the beatles should be omitted from reference here.Of course several beatle lps released after the first two, were at least as good as,or in some cases perhaps alittle better than meet the beatles. |
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| Its not manhatten steamrollers,its manheim steamrollers.Anyways they are a reach from the topic at hand. |
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| Just for the sake of curiosity manny, who are you talking to about "manhatten steamrollers/manheim steamrollers"? I don't see any mention of them on this thread. And just for the record, the name of the group is Mannheim Steamroller (wonderful stuff too, besides their Christmas album). Ric |
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When I originally came up with this, I was thinking of
all the '60's era psychedelic bands. While their follow
up recordings were generally not bad, I think in all cases
they did not live up to the debuts. Two more recent ones for me were Susan Tedeschi, who had a
strong debut but nosed over with "Wait For Me", and a another Austin bluesman named Nick Curran who ripped on "Dr. Velvet" but fell off on "Player". If you're into the Austin gang at all "Dr. Velvet" is one to check out. |
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| The mannheim steamrollers do nice chrismas recordings indeed.I brought them up because ive been wanting to go to a cd store to get some of these recordings.While im there ill look up some cds you mentioned ric, on another thread.I put them in here inadvertantly..too many halloween parties lately i guess.As far as many psychedelic bands not having great follow up lps in general has some merit i suppose,as quick85 noted.This genre in particular was really suited for concept lps.Its one of my favrite genres that spawned many great and also many horrible lps. |
RE: Debut recordings
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quick85 writes:
When I originally came up with this, I was thinking of
all the '60's era psychedelic bands. While their follow
up recordings were generally not bad, I think in all cases
they did not live up to the debuts.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even looking at it from the viewpoint of 60's era psychedelic bands, I would not go so far as to say "in all cases they did not live up to the debuts". One that springs immediately to mind is Beaver & Krause. I feel 'In A Wild Sanctuary' was better than their first two. Even their live album seems an improvement of sorts. Ric |
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Ric, you got me. While I shouldn't have said "all", I was
referring to the bands I had listed. Just my opinion, but
as far as those bands go, there first's were their best. Manny was right also. After seeing the Blues Magoos, but
before they released "(We Ain't Got) Nothin' Yet", I had
to run out and track down their album. I got a lot of strange looks before I actually found it and it was really
only so-so. But their follow-up, "Electric Comic Book" was
horrendous, a musical abomination. But I've still got it. Oh ric, one thing. In another post, I don't remember the
topic, you mentioned the band "Clear Light". I believe
their debut was released around Easter of 1968. I had gone
looking for another record but ran across the CL record. I
was hesitant, but thinking that I had never been burned on
an Elektra recording I took the plunge. I hated it. I gave
it away immediately. I got rid of it so fast I have no idea
if it really was that bad. A couple of years ago Collectors
Choice released it, and their comments made me wonder if I
was a bit hasty. I was surprised when you brought it up. No
one I knew ever heard of Clear light, so I couldn't get
any opinions. |
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| I actually liked the LP when I first bought it (which was back in 1967). WNEW-FM in New York had just turned into a progressive rock station and played the daylights out of Mr. Blue. The album is not only their debut, but also their swan song. Some catalogues list an album called "Black Roses" but it is the same album with the flip side of the 'Black Roses' 45 thrown in. I had a beat up vinyl copy for the longest time and was really happy to see it released on CD. Another band that had, in my opinion, a better second album was Lothar & The Hand People. The title track of "Space Hymn" has stood the test of time. It was one of the first albums in my collection that I recorded from LP to CD. If I really put my mind to it, there probably are a number of other noteworthy second or third releases from so called psychedelic bands. But, as you mentioned, most of them either only had one album, or subsequent efforts failed miserably. Ric |
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Lothar & The Hand People and Sopwith Camel are two I had
completely forgotten about, should I see anything by those
two bands for sale I'll be on top of it. I've mentioned
The Paupers before: Magic People is a great record that
should have been released on disc long ago. |
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| I like afew sopwith camel songs.I have one cd of theirs for sure,maybe two?Ive always been alittle bit intreiged by this band.I read up on them online acouple years back.You gentlemen are acouple years older than me and may remember some things about them quite well.They remind me of the kinks alittle bit. |
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| Hey! Who you callin' old? Actually, I'm glad I grew up when I did. I got to learn &
experience a lot of different things. The end of the
Eisenhower years, the Kennedy years, the not-so-proud
Nixon years, the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention, the
Chicago Eight that turned into the Seven. There were the SDS, the Weathermen, the Yippies. The horrific acts like
the deaths of the three freedom workers in Mississippi,
the assasinations of the Kennedys (Bobby's was the big
shocker to a lot of us), Dr. King, Medgar Evers. And behind
all of it was the music, from the innocent to the outrageous. To me very, very little of it sounded alike,
most artists had their own unique sound. I can't say that
about todays' music. Can you? |
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| You hit the nail on the head, quick. At least as far as what today's young'uns are exposed to on the radio and TV - for the most part. There are still plenty of fine bands making music - and they do not sound the same at all. But unlike AM radio in the 60's, there are very few stations nowadays that play a variety of popular music. It is all segregated, and I personally think that programming mindset robs all of us. I am very glad to be able to pick up WFUV-FM in my home, car and office. The rest of you can pick it up all over the world via the web. They play EVERYTHING - and no commercials. Ric |
Here is a link that might be useful: WFUV-FM (90.7 New York)
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| Ric, thanks for the tip on WFUV. I've spent the early morning hours listening to Echoes / The World Cafe. This is the sort or station that's needed in all big markets in this age of Cap Cities/ABC. I've added it to my favorites list. |
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| Quick, I'm glad you can appreciate their diversity. Rita Houston (their music director) has a great show called 'The Whole Wide World' and it sure is. Plus, considering it is a non commercial station, they have three of the best former New York City jocks. All of them were on the aforementioned WNEW-FM for years. Pete Fornatale has two shows on the weekend, Vin Scelsa (with his Idiot's Delight) has only one show, but it is terrific, and Dennis Elsas has a weekday drive time show that pretty much mirrors his the music he played on WNEW-FM for about 20 years. Fabulous station for the most part. Ric |
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