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Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?
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Posted by ramblingjack (My Page) on Tue, Jul 25, 06 at 13:07
...for literature, I mean? It has been proposed several times already. Do you think that his lyrics actually have a very profound meaning? Or do you think it's gobbledygook? Or should gobbledygook also be nominated if it's entertaining enough?
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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?
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| Im not familiar enough with previous winners and their literary qualifications to make a judegement on this question or issue ramblinjack,but i am looking foreward to hearing some new dylan music in the near future. |
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| Some of Dylan's lyrics are very good - I love the line "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now" - but hardly Nobel prize material! In my opinion, Dylan's been cruising on charisma all his life. He has such a big personality that most people don't notice what he hasn/t got, e.g. a tolerable singing voice... As far as his lyrics go - a lot of them are pretentious bs, where he simply strings words together that sound good. I don't believe that he laboured over the phrases, trying to find just the right word - hey, it rhymes, that'll do. It's an old trick used by many a mediocre poet (and you can replicate it easily with a good set of fridge poetry magnets). Take this: Well, Shakespeare, he's in the alley With his pointed shoes and his bells, Speaking to some French girl, Who says she knows me well. And I would send a message To find out if she's talked, But the post office has been stolen And the mailbox is locked. Or this one (a fine song in the Manfred Mann version, but lyrically completely idiotic): Ev'rybody's building the big ships and the boats, Some are building monuments, Others, jotting down notes, Ev'rybody's in despair, Ev'ry girl and boy But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, Ev'rybody's gonna jump for joy. Come all without, come all within, You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn. I like to do just like the rest, I like my sugar sweet, But guarding fumes and making haste, It ain't my cup of meat. Ev'rybody's 'neath the trees, Feeding pigeons on a limb But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, All the pigeons gonna run to him. Come all without, come all within, You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn. A cat's meow and a cow's moo, I can recite 'em all, Just tell me where it hurts yuh, honey, And I'll tell you who to call. Nobody can get no sleep, There's someone on ev'ryone's toes But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, Ev'rybody's gonna wanna doze. Come all without, come all within, You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn For real poetry in lyrics, get yourself some Leonard Cohen. |
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| Sure, why not give a songwriter a Nobel Prize? Lyrics are poetry, of sorts, and many poets have won the NP for literature. I don't know about comparing Bob Dylan with Leonard Cohen -- that's something like comparing Picasso with Rembrandt. Two totally different things, but I love them both. I'd be happy if each of them got the prize. |
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| I think he should get a Nobel prize. And they should make sure to lead up to it with a long speech about him being "the voice of his generation". I understand he really gets a kick out that stuff. |
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| That would be amusing. A long, flowery speech lauding his virtues and then ... where's Bob? He wouldn't show up to claim it, would he? I'd still like to see him on the list. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Nobel Prize -- literature
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It's easy to make Dylan look like a fool by quoting "The Mighty Quinn", but there are no hidden messages or idiotic lyrics in the following: Masters of War Come you masters of war You that build all the guns You that build the death planes You that build the big bombs You that hide behind walls You that hide behind desks I just want you to know I can see through your masks You that never done nothin' But build to destroy You play with my world Like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand And you hide from my eyes And you turn and run farther When the fast bullets fly Like Judas of old You lie and deceive A world war can be won You want me to believe But I see through your eyes And I see through your brain Like I see through the water That runs down my drain You fasten the triggers For the others to fire Then you set back and watch When the death count gets higher You hide in your mansion As young people's blood Flows out of their bodies And is buried in the mud You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood That runs in your veins How much do I know To talk out of turn You might say that I'm young You might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know Though I'm younger than you Even Jesus would never Forgive what you do Let me ask you one question Is your money that good Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul And I hope you will die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand over your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead |
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| Yep, that's a good one in the tradition of Woody Guthry and Pete Seeger, but not literature prize-worthy. It's a political statement, and a sound one, but hardly poetry. I prefer Don McLean's version of this song (on the live album 'Solo') over Dylan's own; for one thing, you can understand the words much better, and he's got a great singing voice. |
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| If he gets it and says he's only accepting it so he can give the prize money to help Africa or Haiti, then yeah, he should get it. But he should be cool about it, and not be too honoured. Take the man's money but stuff the prize. His speech should be "Hey, I'm Bob Dylan. I am a rock star and I don't need no stinkin' medal. But the kids could use the bread. Thanks." |
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I should have ended by saying that while he has written some hard hitting lyrics and important social commentary, I don't necessarily consider him an award-deserving poet. If that were the case, Woody Guthrie would certainly deserve the award posthumously. I also think for every one brilliant Dylan song there are ten awful ones. I recently saw Don McLean do "American Pie" on A&E's "Breakfast With The Arts". It made me cringe. The song is bad enough, his performance made it worse. I can't imagine McLean doing "Masters Of War" but maybe I'll try and track it down. Jose Feliciano did a version in the late '60's that I find incredible. I only wish I could find it once again. |
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| I'd be all for it if it isn't based on his book "Tarantula"; that was one strange piece of um... literature. It was even more bizarre than John Lennon's "In His Own Write" and "A Spaniard in the Works". I really like the lyrics to "Ballad of a Thin Man", POSSIBLY written about an annoying music critic. You walk into the room With your pencil in your hand You see somebody naked And you say, "Who is that man?" You try so hard But you don't understand Just what you'll say When you get home Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? You raise up your head And you ask, "Is this where it is?" And somebody points to you and says "It's his" And you say, "What's mine?" And somebody else says, "Where what is?" And you say, "Oh my God Am I here all alone?" Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? You hand in your ticket And you go watch the geek Who immediately walks up to you When he hears you speak And says, "How does it feel To be such a freak?" And you say, "Impossible" As he hands you a bone Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? You have many contacts Among the lumberjacks To get you facts When someone attacks your imagination But nobody has any respect Anyway they already expect you To just give a check To tax-deductible charity organizations You've been with the professors And they've all liked your looks With great lawyers you have Discussed lepers and crooks You've been through all of F. Scott Fitzgerald's books You're very well read It's well known Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? Well, the sword swallower, he comes up to you And then he kneels He crosses himself And then he clicks his high heels And without further notice He asks you how it feels And he says, "Here is your throat back Thanks for the loan" Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? Now you see this one-eyed midget Shouting the word "NOW" And you say, "For what reason?" And he says, "How?" And you say, "What does this mean?" And he screams back, "You're a cow Give me some milk Or else go home" Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? Well, you walk into the room Like a camel and then you frown You put your eyes in your pocket And your nose on the ground There ought to be a law Against you comin' around You should be made To wear earphones Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? Mike |
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| You've got to hear the old versions of those two songs on that "No Direction Home" soundtrack -- knockouts, the both of them. Yes, Woodie Guthrie also deserves the award. Cutting edge in his day, and telling true stories about real life. |
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| They could give him the prize for literature for "Chronicles". Lesser works have been awarded. |
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