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Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

Posted by ramblingjack (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 25, 06 at 13:07

...for literature, I mean? It has been proposed several times already. Do you think that his lyrics actually have a very profound meaning? Or do you think it's gobbledygook? Or should gobbledygook also be nominated if it's entertaining enough?
Please answer with some explanation and perhaps a quotation.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

Im not familiar enough with previous winners and their literary qualifications to make a judegement on this question or issue ramblinjack,but i am looking foreward to hearing some new dylan music in the near future.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

Some of Dylan's lyrics are very good - I love the line "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now" - but hardly Nobel prize material! In my opinion, Dylan's been cruising on charisma all his life. He has such a big personality that most people don't notice what he hasn/t got, e.g. a tolerable singing voice...

As far as his lyrics go - a lot of them are pretentious bs, where he simply strings words together that sound good. I don't believe that he laboured over the phrases, trying to find just the right word - hey, it rhymes, that'll do.
It's an old trick used by many a mediocre poet (and you can replicate it easily with a good set of fridge poetry magnets). Take this:

Well, Shakespeare, he's in the alley
With his pointed shoes and his bells,
Speaking to some French girl,
Who says she knows me well.
And I would send a message
To find out if she's talked,
But the post office has been stolen
And the mailbox is locked.

Or this one (a fine song in the Manfred Mann version, but lyrically completely idiotic):

Ev'rybody's building the big ships and the boats,
Some are building monuments,
Others, jotting down notes,
Ev'rybody's in despair,
Ev'ry girl and boy
But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here,
Ev'rybody's gonna jump for joy.
Come all without, come all within,
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn.

I like to do just like the rest, I like my sugar sweet,
But guarding fumes and making haste,
It ain't my cup of meat.
Ev'rybody's 'neath the trees,
Feeding pigeons on a limb
But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here,
All the pigeons gonna run to him.
Come all without, come all within,
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn.

A cat's meow and a cow's moo, I can recite 'em all,
Just tell me where it hurts yuh, honey,
And I'll tell you who to call.
Nobody can get no sleep,
There's someone on ev'ryone's toes
But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here,
Ev'rybody's gonna wanna doze.
Come all without, come all within,
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn

For real poetry in lyrics, get yourself some Leonard Cohen.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

Sure, why not give a songwriter a Nobel Prize? Lyrics are poetry, of sorts, and many poets have won the NP for literature.

I don't know about comparing Bob Dylan with Leonard Cohen -- that's something like comparing Picasso with Rembrandt. Two totally different things, but I love them both. I'd be happy if each of them got the prize.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

I think he should get a Nobel prize. And they should make sure to lead up to it with a long speech about him being "the voice of his generation". I understand he really gets a kick out that stuff.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

That would be amusing. A long, flowery speech lauding his virtues and then ... where's Bob? He wouldn't show up to claim it, would he?

I'd still like to see him on the list.

Here is a link that might be useful: Nobel Prize -- literature


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

It's easy to make Dylan look like a fool by quoting "The
Mighty Quinn", but there are no hidden messages or idiotic
lyrics in the following:

Masters of War

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope you will die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

Yep, that's a good one in the tradition of Woody Guthry and Pete Seeger, but not literature prize-worthy. It's a political statement, and a sound one, but hardly poetry.

I prefer Don McLean's version of this song (on the live album 'Solo') over Dylan's own; for one thing, you can understand the words much better, and he's got a great singing voice.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

If he gets it and says he's only accepting it so he can give the prize money to help Africa or Haiti, then yeah, he should get it. But he should be cool about it, and not be too honoured. Take the man's money but stuff the prize. His speech should be "Hey, I'm Bob Dylan. I am a rock star and I don't need no stinkin' medal. But the kids could use the bread. Thanks."


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

I should have ended by saying that while he has written
some hard hitting lyrics and important social commentary,
I don't necessarily consider him an award-deserving poet.
If that were the case, Woody Guthrie would certainly deserve
the award posthumously. I also think for every one brilliant
Dylan song there are ten awful ones.

I recently saw Don McLean do "American Pie" on A&E's
"Breakfast With The Arts". It made me cringe. The song is
bad enough, his performance made it worse. I can't imagine
McLean doing "Masters Of War" but maybe I'll try and track
it down. Jose Feliciano did a version in the late '60's
that I find incredible. I only wish I could find it once
again.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

I'd be all for it if it isn't based on his book "Tarantula"; that was one strange piece of um... literature. It was even more bizarre than John Lennon's "In His Own Write" and "A Spaniard in the Works".

I really like the lyrics to "Ballad of a Thin Man", POSSIBLY written about an annoying music critic.

You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked
And you say, "Who is that man?"
You try so hard
But you don't understand
Just what you'll say
When you get home

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You raise up your head
And you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says
"It's his"
And you say, "What's mine?"
And somebody else says, "Where what is?"
And you say, "Oh my God
Am I here all alone?"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect you
To just give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations

You've been with the professors
And they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well read
It's well known

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, the sword swallower, he comes up to you
And then he kneels
He crosses himself
And then he clicks his high heels
And without further notice
He asks you how it feels
And he says, "Here is your throat back
Thanks for the loan"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Now you see this one-eyed midget
Shouting the word "NOW"
And you say, "For what reason?"
And he says, "How?"
And you say, "What does this mean?"
And he screams back, "You're a cow
Give me some milk
Or else go home"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, you walk into the room
Like a camel and then you frown
You put your eyes in your pocket
And your nose on the ground
There ought to be a law
Against you comin' around
You should be made
To wear earphones

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Mike


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

You've got to hear the old versions of those two songs on that "No Direction Home" soundtrack -- knockouts, the both of them.

Yes, Woodie Guthrie also deserves the award. Cutting edge in his day, and telling true stories about real life.


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RE: Should Bob Dylan get a Nobel prize?

They could give him the prize for literature for "Chronicles".

Lesser works have been awarded.


 
 

 

 


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